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Senses Fail to Change Lyrics in Re-Recorded Songs • Page 2

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Melody Bot, Dec 12, 2018.

  1. RileyWitiw

    more like Supporter

    i wrote a paper that used Thrice songs to tell Goethe's Faust. My prof loved it. Turned out he was a fan.
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  2. TerrancePryor Prestigious

    I couldn't imagine Glassjaw doing this for Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Silence. They would have to scrap a vast majority of the lyrics.
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  3. Pepetito

    Regular Supporter

    Sure they sound like music from that era but to say that haven't aged well, I don't think that's accurate. Those were great records that I listen to all the time.
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  4. fourstarters Dec 12, 2018
    (Last edited: Dec 12, 2018)

    Team Wiggum

    I'd be interested to see how much of that is attributed to nostalgia vs. content. I think a lot of people (myself included) listen to a lot of stuff from the past because of the connection to it and not because it's objectively good. Best example I can give is that I can still enjoy the shit out of Good Charlotte's first record but I can admit that content-wise, it's pretty juvenile and I can't necessarily relate to any of it in the same way I did 15-16 years ago.

    Likewise, a band that once wrote

    I had a dream last night and in my dream I robbed a country club
    A 5 year old tried to stop me, but I shot him through the head
    And now he's dead

    As a father myself (and as Buddy admitted the same for him), it's kind of gross to listen to and sing those lyrics at this point in my life.
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  5. Nowitzki_MVP


    Interesting concept!
  6. slimfenix182


    Damn I had no idea who those were by, til I realized I knew those first ten words and guess I just never made out most of the lyrics of that song. Yeah no way buddy is ok with those now. I welcome him rewriting as much as he wants
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  7. Yellowcard2006


    I think if you're going to revisit songs from that era this is the only thing that really makes sense. If Buddy looks back on these lyrics and regrets ever writing them why should he not have the right to update/improve them? If fans like the old versions that much they still have them.
  8. tobytobes


    Buddy has even pointed that out 2-3 times in his Twitter stuff. "We're not taking the old versions away, so go listen to them if you want to hear the old ones."
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  9. K0ta

    wrap yourself in petals for armor.

    It has been so great to watch Buddy grow and become a leader of progressive change. Since he came out I really feel like he wants to be genuine and make positive progress in the world. I have been a fan since the early 2000's and even as a young girl in that scene, I didn't always listen to misogynistic things and see the harm in that....but I think we have ALL grown and it's important to set standards going forward. I respect Buddy so much for doing this.
  10. Sean Murphy

    moon pie, what a time to be alive. Supporter

    it seems like such an odd thing to get upset over. literally nobody is stopping you from listening to the old songs if that's what you prefer. and if this will stop you from going to future shows, you're probably not a fan this band wants in the first place.
  11. chilllll


    I dont get how this is upsetting... Im a father myself. Hes literally just telling the story. The vibe comes with the genre. Emo music has always had a dramatically violent side .If you wanna listen to something lyrically lighter try chevelle or coldplay. I dont get how consumers have a right to tell artists to change their art because it doesnt fit into their worldview.... If you dont vibe with it it wasnt obviously made for you.
    But obviously no one even senses fail doesnt agree with me lol
    Just my two cents .
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  12. Sean Murphy

    moon pie, what a time to be alive. Supporter

    Emo music had a "dramatically violent side" when the scene was filled with young petulant men who weren't used to getting dumped or rejected by women so they took their aggression out in their lyrics which often resulted in gross violent imagery a la most of early bayside's discography. the scene was filled with young men who were writing the same music so nobody was there to tell them it's not cool.

    things change.
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  13. K0ta

    wrap yourself in petals for armor.

    And yet Buddy is changing it because it doesn't fit into his personal worldview. The music exists in its time and place, Buddy has said you can go listen to it. This is a personal choice and one that I respect, because it's all about setting a tone going forward. Sure, emo has always had a violent side, but often that violence was laced with misogyny and was damaging, as much as we want to write it off as "art." Art is not immune to criticism either. If Buddy was a 34 dude and didn't have a problem with those lyrics, I would be worried.

    Now, I also think those songs can exist in that time and place - and that revisiting them is fine. Like I have said, I was a young girl listening to those lyrics and seeing nothing wrong in them. I was also the product of a scene that did not invite discourse and positive inclusion of femininity and feminism. It's important that we talk about how that stuff was problematic, and if there are cases where a band is revisiting that music, they talk about that and make an effort to change it. Because it's not as much about what it was, so much as what we need now.
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  14. theredline

    Regular Supporter

    There are quite a few bands/songs with questionable lyrics who I would love to see do this so I could listen without having to cringe every time it comes up. Cool idea.
  15. Sean Murphy

    moon pie, what a time to be alive. Supporter

    nobody told them to do this, but they very obviously responded to some criticisms of earlier work, which isn't a bad thing.

    also, if your worldview (not yours personally, this isn't an attack on you) is one that is accepting of music that's violent against women, i don't think you should be the one dictating tastes.
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  16. marsupial jones

    make a bagel without the hole

    it would just be the instruments and a miscellaneous scream from Daryl
  17. Dog Fish

    soups up

    funny story -

    I went to a very religious university. For a talent show, my friend and I decided to cover the ground folds (acoustic). We had to submit the lyrics for approval beforehand and weren't allowed to alter them. I knew there were some questionable lyrics, but hoped I could sneak in some revisions. However, I think I made it 10x worse by changing "the blood spilled down your spine" to "the love spilled down your spine" basically turning the song into a porno.

    Our entry was not approved.
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  18. currytheword


    This reminds me of Parks and Recreation when Andy has to change MouseRat's song to make it appropriate for a kid's show performance.

    Andy: "I don't know what the rules are! Okay, babe, here's what I did. Tell me if this is appropriate for a kids' song.
    I changed the lyrics in Sex Hair to "You got sex bears, you got 'em from me kids. Sex bears, big ol' sex bears.""

    April: "Andy, the word "hair" was not the problem with Sex Hair."
  19. Pepetito

    Regular Supporter

    I guess that's never bothered sing those lyrics even though i'm older. It's just a song.
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  20. daldalian

    hopelessly yours, Alabama

    I fully applaud Buddy's decision here.

    I'd be surprised if the idea of fully re-recording old releases actually catches on though, as much as I wish it would in some cases. I loved so many songs/albums from that era that sound like butt now.
  21. TJ Wells

    Trusted Prestigious

    Wish Chris would do that with Rocks Tonic Juice Magic, or at least stop playing it live. Way better songs on that record.
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  22. Jared Luttrell


    Makes me cringe seeing the negative responses to this on social media. Glad Buddy is doing this.
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  23. marsupial jones

    make a bagel without the hole

    sad that the comment of, "you do you, it's your song, we have the original if we want to hear that" had like 55 likes but the comment of, "don't pull a Paramore on us" had 95 likes.
  24. currytheword


    More bands should Paramore than the amount that currently does.
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  25. chilllll


    I felt like it was because of a public outcry but if its because they wanna change it then thats cool. Ive never heard the album everyone is talking about... I just like the still searching album lol .I was late on senses fail