Say Anything Band • Page 111

I mean, when I think “perfect pop punk album,” this album would never come up for me. It’s in the neighborhood of it, but I don’t think it fits on its own.

 

I dare to say that it's better than any of blinks albums and I am a huge blink fan haha, but fair enough! To each their own

 

All of the best pop punk albums are the ones that don't sound like typical pop punk. IARB is definitely one of those.

 

I dunno. I don’t see any need to praise the album.

Regardless, I just say I listen to pop punk/Emo when asked because trying to label everything feels exhausting. Call it whatever. Pop punk is in the formula, but I just think it goes well beyond it and is minimizing what’s on the album.

 

I've always felt like that about considering some of my favourite albums pop punk but since that's what they're usually considered I've let those albums expand what I consider pop punk rather than seeing the label as limiting them.

I don't think pop punk is incorrect just because it expands past the regular boundaries of that genre. That's just one of the reasons it's one of the best.

 

on wiki its classified as pop punk ...Is a Real Boy - Wikipedia

 

Did you skip any words? Ignore context? Ignore what I’ve said? Hmmmm

 

i didnt read what you said, i forgot to quote ryanpm when i grabbed the link

 

agreed, SA is their own thing. it's a mix of genres for sure.

 

Almost everything in the Chorus fm / absolutepunk umbrella is some form of pop punk to me

I think the idea that pop punk has to be simple chords and whiney voices or whatever is itself limiting, or that it even has to be a certain amount of poppy. Multiple ways to skin that cat.

Generally all these bands, including SA, are taking some subgenre of the very broad umbrella of punk rock (post hardcore, emo, whatever) and making it a little more structured and melodic so that it’s palatable for wider audiences, who might not be punk historians who want to listen to the uglier kinds of punk music, but are open to aggressive guitars and drums if they can also dance and sing along to it. That’s blending pop with punk (to varying degrees. Some bands like Thursday are more punk-faithful but I still wouldn’t actually put them in the same post-hardcore screamo umbrella as their much more esoteric influences such as pg.99)

Anyway that’s my two cents y’all can fight over how wrong I am, not an argument worth having

 

same but that's because it's not very good

 

IARB always struck me as bad emo and the rest of their albums are bad pop punk

 

put IARB & the Rarities triple on today and had basically the exact same thought.

 

Right before "mall emo" you had scene emo and an entire group of kids that went to concerts every weekend. We didn't care what label/genre a band had we just knew they were "one of us." "Real emo" kids would say it's not emo.

This included bands like New Found Glory, My Chem, Starting Line, Say Anything, JEW, Taking Back Sunday, Brand New, Northstar, Midtown, Thrice, Paramore, Story of the Year and the hundred/thousands other bands included in this. Not all of them were pop punk or emo or whatever, they were all just part of the same scene we were all just jumping to the next band that sounded awesome and went from nobodies to the pseudo-scene fame. Obviously, a lot of them made successful careers out of it. It turned into this fashion-culture weird "eyeliner and cut your wrists" thing that really didn't identify with the people I went to concerts with every weekend that just loved the music as a teen.

Not every band was emo. Not every band was pop punk. A lot of them changed sounds album to album. They just fit into this type of kid that was repping band hoodies and going to concerts every weekend.

Genre elitism is dumb. IARB certainly isn't classic pop punk but I think it's fine to associate it with other pop punk acts at the time.

My enthusiasm to listening to what was once my all time favorite album just doesn't exist really but it's objectively amazing for its place and time.

 

this is spot fucking on. Say anything was not armor for sleep was not dashboard but it was all the same to us when were in the crowd. Doesn’t even matter. The lyricism, instrumentation, and vibe of IARB didn’t just have it as a part of the scene, but on a pedestal right at the front of it as a shining example.

 

maybe "post" pop-punk?

 

I put Say Anything in the same box that I would put a band like Coheed and Cambria, TBS or MCR in. They were sort of lumped into the emo scene of the early '00s but sonically I'm not sure they belonged there. Coheed and MCR are more like 70s arena rock revival and TBS and SA's sound was closer to '00s NYC garage rock than it was to The Get Up Kids or Hot Rod Circuit.

This happens a lot. Deftones gets lumped in with Limp Bizkit and Korn, Guns N Roses gets lumped in with Motley Crue and Def Leppard. Had Avril Lavigne's first album come out on Drive-Thru instead of on a major label she'd have been touring with Dashboard and Something Corporate. Genres are weird.

 

insane post but i respect it

 

This is what I aim for.

 

Cute is what we aim for

 

Well I'm already that.

 

Gross

 

Is a real boy is a good album. Everything else for say anything is basically doo doo to really really stinky doo doo.

 

I always say that no one ruins a great song like Max Bemis. There are so many "almost great" songs in SA's catalog. Max always finds a way to have a lyric or a concept that makes an otherwise good song unlistenable.