Round of 64: (21) Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid, MAAD City vs. (44) The Beatles - White Album Bracket • Page 3

I will say, I definitely remember @OhTheWater pushing back against the coronation of that album as a classic back in 2012. His stance on this subject has been consistent from day 1.

 

Hip-Hop Thread • Page 614 • forum.chorus.fm

 

^links like that don’t typically work if people have different posts per page, I’d just quote the post you’re highlighting

 

Did not know that. I meant to share the whole page though (as well as the one before that and after it, give or take).

 

by one vote, 43-42, Good Kid, Maad City moves onto the round of 32

 

Another close one!

 

I guess I get being annoyed at it but I just can't grasp the argument that something doesn't deserve its status if some of the people enjoying it are lacking context. Crossover appeal can often be a part of that criteria. If someone who doesn't typically watch horror films, like my fiancee, watches Get Out and it remains one of her favorite films over five years later despite the fact that she still doesn't watch much horror, that doesn't make her wrong in her assessment of one of the most critically acclaimed films of the decade (and also doesn't mean that acclaim isn't deserved). At what point do you realize the consensus probably isn't the thing that's wrong here?

 

I think it has as much or as little crossover appeal as plenty of albums like it. It was just the hip hop album of its ilk that happened to be pushed by broad music media etc. That doesn’t make it better than those others, just more well-known and thus liked by more people.

 

Even this is bullshit. Everyone I knew on this site was hyped as fuck for it because of Section 80. It wasn’t manufactured. But keep making shit up. Why stop now?

 

On this site maybe, but Section 80 definitely did not have the crossover success that GKMC had

 

Yeah that’s literally how bands blow up. People in the know like the first record. They hype the shit out of the new one so new people listen. And on and on. It’s music fan mechanics 101.

 

I don’t even understand why people are now mad lol As if this album is somehow above all criticism

 

Right. Doesn’t man other albums like it did not exist.

 

I’ll tell you exactly why I’m mad. Because people who talk like you ruin music discussion. The threads that led to this vote were positive and exploratory and full of people checking stuff out and trading recommendations. Then we open it up, and it always ends like this. You didn’t criticize the album. That would be fine. You criticized people for liking the album. You made blanket statements about why they like it or how uninformed they must be. That kind of snobbish bullshit has burned my ass since I started posting in ‘09 and it still does.

I could follow Pat’s love for Daydream Nation by saying I don’t personally consider it a classic. Or I could have like one quark of humility and say it’s my taste. Maybe, just maybe, someone can have a different take on a piece of art than me without being some ignorant rube. Jesus

 

Some say it’s a classic because it’s essentially (a good) debut album from a very prominent artist who went on to release a better album.


I also only listen to GKMC.

 

I disagree with your portrayal of what I am trying to say. I did not say anything about people liking it. It’s the superlatives I am tired of, especially when being used by people who lack the context (I did not single anyone out or accuse anyone of this, I was always talking about the discourse in general, but also frankly “lacking the context” is not even a diss, I lack context in most genres), because in my mind it diminishes a lot of other albums and rappers and, through that, the whole genre. You can disagree with the latter, but that’s how I feel.

 

Your comparison doesn’t make sense. It would make sense if you said Daydream Nation is a Gene’s pick, check out this music by The Fall, Can, Residents, Suicide, Lydia Lunch, etc

The point the anthropomorphic moose is making is if you swim in the shallow end, such and such album appears more significant than it is in the fuller context of that music, which is in keeping with a lot of your commentary in the years in music threads; I’m thinking of comments leveling the field between artists like Steely Dan, Christopher Cross…the much overlooked Fogelberg probably fits in there somewhere too.

 

I bet it would drive you crazy if I said Kanye West has been the most influential artists since 2000

 

I wrote a very aggressive post in response to this, but I don’t feel like being in that place today. Suffice it to say that my love for those artists is far from me swimming in the shallow end. It’s the result of a lifetime of exploring beyond the narrow prescriptions of what’s considered essential.

And even STILL I don’t begrudge people who picked Paranoid or whatever. Expanding the canon does not require dethroning the classics people know. It requires introducing them to even more.

 

No, I’d probably agree with that, for better or worse

 

I don’t literally mean YOU, it’s a colloquial substitute for “one” where I live

 

i legitimately did not realize it was controversial to call gkmc a classic album lol

 

You followed by singling out two artists I repped hard in these threads...

 

I, uhhh, just wanna clarify that I'm not mad at all, I just responded because I thought your (and now this entire) argument was bizarre lol the poll is closed, the people have spoken, it is what it is

 

My argument is more around cultural tourism and the harmful nature of mass canonization of a record while tearing down the rest of the genre. That's what was happening in 2012 with this and in 2010 for MBDTF. My feelings about the actual record are irrelevant, I'm just trying to figure out why this was the one that got "classic" heaped on it.