Publication End Of The Year Lists 2016 • Page 12

Pitchfork still sucks to be fair

 

Maybe



JUST FUCKING MAYBE



it's two different groups of people

 

I don't disagree.

 

not sure why you think what I said makes me come off as invalidating a band in any way. I can point out that he doesn't seem to listen to music where females sing, that's a valid assesment

see above, not trying to weigh anyone over anyone else, just reiterating my original statement that I find it weird he has a small genre that he listens to, and doesn't seem to listen to female vocalists often.

 

oh god, this thread moved way further than when I was last in here, sorry if that conversation has passed

 

I just don't get why vocalists seem to be the end all be all of female representation for some people

 

Counted them since Steve knew, haha.

 

In Carrie Brownsteins book she talks about being known and even thinking of herself as a "female guitarist" for a long time instead of just a "guitarist".

 

This is why things like the female stage or whatever at warped are actually regressive. Otherizing females instead of including them helps no one. And to a degree the phrase female fronted can do the same

 

I don't think that's what it is, and I don't think that's a fair conclusion to make either if you're referring to me.

Before Casey informed me, there were what... 3? 4? bands that I didn't know were better represented, because I don't really look into band members of bands for the most part, it's just not part of the music process that I investigate that much. Should I do a better job of knowing who every member of a band is? I don't know, maybe.

Let's say I was a sexist music listener, all I would have to base my sexism on is the vocals.

Luckily I like to think that I am not that way, but that's beside the point.

 

It's not you in particular. But when it comes to discussing bands with women in them the conversation more often than not revolves around "female fronted bands." There's some sort of erasure going on for women who don't front bands because the focus is only on frontwomen

 

Fair point, I agree with you on the overall scale no doubt.

 

While I acknowledge what you're saying here, and it's a problem, it's also worth noting the amount of attention the vocalist and/or primary songwriter draws in male-fronted bands, too.

 

Well yeah, I'm talking about male fronted bands. Sure in a lot of cases the contributions of other members outside of the singer can be minimized (definitely not always) regardless of gender make up of the band but I think it's undoubtedly even more of an issue and becomes even more minimized when the other members include women

 

anyone with beach slang on their list is not to be trusted

 

It should be noted that Ian's list has Shura on it, an album that is going way too far under the radar.

 

and also a record that is both female led and not related to "emo", haha

 

Doesn't fit the narrative of the lamestream media

 

Ian's 41-50 has some v good overlooked albums in general

 

Yeah he's obviously got some good stuff on there, I was just focusing on top 20 in my discussions`

 

Truuuuu

 

Yep, pretty much. Comments like "Why isn't Radiohead higher on this list reflecting one dude's opinion?!" are definitely unnecessary and also a little bit funny.

 

@ me next time brah

 

So people around here will whine no matter what? Checks out.

 

Or different groups of people whine about different things