Pinegrove - Skylight (September 28, 2018) Album • Page 58

He didn't write it, the piece was well researched . Let's stop acting like he commissioned this and maybe respect the author enough to imagine that she reached her own conclusion and reported honestly.

This isn't press for an album, the album is coming out as a result

 

I want to be very clear: I’m not just saying this because it’s fun or because I don’t believe in accountability or restorative justice. I came away from the article thinking the matter was resolved, and then saw some things that made me doubt that this was the case. I am trying very hard to explain this without belittling anyone who did not come to the same conclusion and without attacking Jenn for writing this piece that I think is really good in some parts and take issue with in others

 

I've seen a lot of (bad) takes to the effect of "you all just don't want anyone to get better." All I can really say to that is that it's not unreasonable to think that someone who has abused their platform in any way should not be allowed to have that platform back, whether they made amends or not. Rehabilitation doesn't mean "everything goes back to the way things were before." One can believe in restorative justice and be glad it seems like the situation between Evan and this particular survivor appears to be settled, while also recognizing that nobody is entitled to be in a popular touring band.

 

I feel the same about the article. Thank you for being respectful and making clear people with other thoughts are valid. Other people haven’t been so kind and it’s been frustrating, both here and on Twitter

 

I think it’s entirely possible the victim has been misrepresented and there’s more to the story, sure. But unless the victim themselves wants to come forward and clarify everything, what more is there to do? What’s the end game?

 

Just a note but respect needs to go both ways, we shouldn’t go after people who think Evan is still in the wrong and the article didn’t solve everything. I’ve seen mostly very productive conversations about why people feel like that but I’ve also seen people kind of dismiss that view as well

 

The other thing I’ll say is that, even if the issue is resolved, there are clearly people who are close to the victim who still feel gross about this all, which is fine. But it definitely doesn’t mean that people who don’t know the victim need to feel as bad about it, especially if it is true that she signed on to this plan. The album is coming, shows are coming, and if you want to support it you’re not a bad person

 

i do not think that restorative justice involves having a long profile written about you in which you mention your album is coming out friday, that's pretty much it

 

I haven’t commented here because I haven’t been able to get my thoughts down in a way that sufficiently represents how I feel about this at the moment but you two have summed them up perfectly. It’s a tricky situation. I’m not sure if I will listen to new music from this band but knowing what we know now I won’t begrudge anyone who does. From reading this thread the last two days I think there have been some good and important conversations and everyone for the most part has been respectful and open. I don’t know, I’m rambling now but thank you for these posts.

 

how the victim feels is paramount, but the timing, the juxtaposition of deep interrogation of these issues and interviews with ppl around evan with glowing prose about the shelved album... nothing about this feels right or ok to me, that's all

 

Yeah I completely agree that the timing feels off

 

which is very frustrating bc i would honestly love to see a successful accountability process happen in music, especially this scene

 

I already said I think the album drop immediately is a bad idea but I do kind of understand, but don’t agree they should drop it. But they probably got the victims blessing to continue making music and figured well, this album is old now and we want to make new music, lets get rid of it and start fresh. This is why the album is only really mentioned in passing in the article, it’s buried way deep in there so no matter how you feel about the article it is categorically wrong to say it’s just about the album. Again, not saying dropping the album now is the right move, but understanding why they’re doing it makes me less upset by it. It’s reallt a lose lose situation. Maybe they should’ve just never released it. But Evan isn’t the only person who’s work is on the album and would it be fair for everyone else’s contributions to go to waste? Maybe that’s not what’s important here but, as far as we know, the victim gave the okay to release it so. Idk. I’m just thinking out loud and really don’t believe the album drop is a malicious move. Maybe I’m just not cynical about it

 

It'll be interesting to see how the album will be covered. Pitchfork gave Intrepid BNM, will they do the same here?

 

i don't think it's necessarily malicious either! it's just fucking clueless, which seems to be *the entire problem* with evan as far as i can tell. and it's possible to be unconsciously malevolently clueless

 

i'm sorry if it seems like i'm typing in bad faith here, i'm just... so wary. sorry. i don't begrudge anybody for listening to them now, of course

 

i find it hard to believe evan was the only one involved in making the decision. i also dont know if its entirely clueless. which is to say, im sure they thought long and hard about how to do this. at least i hope so. but as i said, theres no winning situation. there was no best way to go about this besides trashing the album. but when given permission to release it by the victim i can see why they wouldn't consider tossing the album. but say they wait a month, then they'll be told they're just dragging out an album cycle. i really dont think there was any situation with this album that would be the right way to go about it. which is why im glad all proceeds are going to charity, i think thats a great move and puts my mind more at ease about the album release. which may be their exact goal, sure, but charity is charity and i see it as a net positive regardless. maybe im wrong on all of this though.

 

Releasing the album beforehand without a statement would've been bad.
Releasing it in a couple months seems kind of bad too, kind of like a normal album cycle to try and build hype.
Releasing it now seems like the best option to just get it out and move on.

 

i dont know but any review that doesnt sincerely grapple with the circumstances of the release can go right in the trash, positive or negative

 

I’m of two minds about the album drop happening so suddenly. I see and sympathize with all the arguments against it, but one thing I have thought about was maybe it’ll do some good— since the proceeds from Bandcamp are being donated to various charities— for them to drop it when interest is probably at its peak. Idk, I don’t feel like there’s any right answer here, necessarily.

 

.... i don't think so???

sorry i'm pretty sure the kavanaugh hearings are ruining my life, i don't want this shelved album right now

 

Yeah maybe I’m being naive but i get the sense that the band really didn’t want to do anything that would make the victim uncomfortable in this passed year (based on the fact that they complied to her requests that we know of), so whether or not the album drop this Friday seems bad, I don’t think the band would go through all this trouble of trying to rehabilitate for the passed year just to say “screw it let’s drop a record” at this point

 

I'd be okay with a paragraph in the beginning briefly addressing the situation and linking the original PG statement, the SPIN piece, and the p4k piece.

 

Sorry it's been rough. How would you have liked for them to handle the album release?

 

profile and album could've come out when the news wasn't full of sexual assault that would've been great imo and a nice thing to do for other survivors