Pinegrove - Skylight (September 28, 2018) Album • Page 29

At the same time, I don't know why people are raking him over the coals and looking for something more that they don't seem to be able to articulate. He came forward about it first, said he did something wrong, and is undergoing treatment to be better and do better.

I'm not saying we're owed details, but when there's so little that we the fans know, I'm questioning how anyone can point to another Pinegrove fan and say "YOU aren't processing this properly!" The only way I could get behind that kind of attitude is if someone's victim blaming.

 

I don't think anyone is doing that. I just think people don't want people to believe he is off the hook. If you believe he handled this well and feel comfortable listening to them thats fine.. in the future we will see how this is all handled but I am guessing the release date gets pushed back to late spring/early summer and we get more details from Evan after his treatment when he is more aware of what he did. Bc if he truly is getting help and he did something wrong hes going to want to make amends for it and take full responsibility. I wish them the best but I also wish the victim the best in recovering from whatever he did. It doesn't have to be one way you can feel sympathy for the victim while still hoping the abuser gets help and is redeemed.

 

To be honest, if he is getting treatment and seeking help for his actions, and if neither he (who was the one who actually outed his own actions) nor the victim wish to take this further, then I think for now I'm going to stay out of it.

I am owed nothing by Evan. His actions have not affected me. The only person he owes is the victim(s).

 

Also that tweet posted earlier sounds like a cool soundbite but actually it's really condescending, even as someone who hasn't properly listened to either artists since this stuff came out.

Some of those songs mean an awful lot to people and who are you to say what someone should or shouldn't listen to.

 

This is something I take issue with. I think it's wrong to assume someone who still listens to these bands is by default doing something wrong, especially since both of these bands are ones that tend to attract people who have issues with mental health or just dealing with their lives. I'm definitely not going to come at someone who is going through some shit and wants to listen to Brand New to help them cope, the way they have for 10+ years.

I've seen this posted in other threads I believe, but something I think is helpful with this is keeping in mind that maybe it is ok to listen to these bands if you need to, but fall short of advertising that you're listening to them (avoid posting song lyrics, doing a "now playing", etc.)

 

It's none of our jobs to prod for statements or information. The victim clearly doesn't want this to be a huge thing and Evan apologized and said he's getting help. Obviously something shady happened here and Evan is not absolved of guilt just because he's getting treatment, but we are not entitled to the full scope of whatever happened.

Fwiw this isn't really directed at anyone in here, just posting thoughts

 

idk I really can’t see Pinegrove coming back until late 2018/early 2019, if at all. At this stage it looks like they’d be blacklisted by large, influential sections of the scene - who at this point would tour with them, or host shows for them?

 

RFC were liking tweets the other day about people looking forward to the pinegrove album coming out this year. I know thats not much but suggests its going ahead

 

They will come back and will probably continue to grow. Unfortunately these things aren't seen as hugely important by large swathes of people.

 

Exactly this.

 

Nobody on this website (that I've seen) is going to tell anyone who they should or should not listen to. I'm certainly not going to. But the moment anyone vocalizes public support of an abuser's music, advertising that they're still listening to them, they're no longer "separating the art from the artist" and they're part of the problem. And if hearing bad things about someone they like bothers anyone enough to start a fight on an internet forum, I think the real question should be why, if they've truly been able to separate the art from the artist, they feel that way.

 

I don't think anyone is defending him, and no one is saying you can't criticise him, but demonising people for the music they like and listen to privately is lame.

 

Haven’t listened since the statement and hard to say for sure but may just not anymore. Unfortunate, real unfortunate, this band was singular to me, but man, what a bad taste to remain

 

Hope the victim is okay and Evan gets his shit sorted in a genuine way

 

Yeah, haven't been able to bring myself to listen to them since the statement came out, and honestly I've really missed this band at times. Such a disappointing situation.

 

My friend adores Pinegrove. I just told her about this last night and she had no idea. I guess it's pretty easy for people outside of this site and who aren't huge on social media to not know about this stuff.

 

Looks like that UK tour is going full speed ahead:

 

i don't think that means anything, all that means is that the promoters haven't been told the shows are cancelled yet.

 

The details on this are really foggy and I think people should treat them as such, a message board is not going to be the deciding factor on who is redeemable and that I'm a piece of shit for caring.

It sounds like more went on than I initially thought which is tough so I've stayed silent the last couple days, but I'm sick of the mentality that it's better to fade away than to get better - that seems like it's far more self congratulatory than it's trying to believe in betterment. I'm really upset and still processing a lot of what has happened, but I say that as a flawed and at times careless and irresponsible person. I'm constantly trying to make amends with that and I hope he's doing the same. The "gotcha" tone surrounding this makes me not want to be a part of this community anymore. I hope Evan has reckoned with his position and influence and I hope I one day get to listen to Skylight without being scorned by everyone.

 

I'd never scorn you for listening to it. Take that for what its worth hah

 

i agree that it's a wait and see position but i think a lot of people are rushing to conclusions when nothing has been said. i say that in the way that i think until the band comes back and we see what the treatment is, it's fine to be more careful than not.

 

I haven't listened to Pinegrove since the statement from Evan, largely because of some of the tweets/comments from others more connected to the scene, and who know more about these issues than me, that hinted at this being a bigger deal.

I haven't (yet) written the band off completely, because even though Evan's statement had its issues, it seemed as though he was genuinely remorseful and is seeking help. I will wait to see how that all plays out before I decide what I personally will do with this band.

 

yeah I would assume any return would need to be coupled with a follow up statement from/re: Evan. If they're really interested in transparency anyways

 

Don't disagree with that at all, and I have been careful also. I just imagine the toll it would've taken on me if I was trying to improve myself and be better (which I hope to God I have) and I saw all these outside opinions saying I shouldn't be able to do what I loved. I would have most likely killed myself, and came close at the time. That shouldn't be our end goal

What is happening right now is important and long overdue, but as a community we need to do better to let people get better. Without the option of improvement, I fear it becomes more about our sense of justice than justice itself. The tone here seems to be he should never play another song, and I think that's bullshit if he's actively trying to overcome what he's wrestling with. I don't know, maybe I am really the only one here struggling with my past but I feel I've a second chance and I'm not comfortable denying Evan something that's been given to me in good faith

 

yeah, definitely. i agree. i think we should allow him a chance to get better but i don't see why we should give him anything extra until we actually see some progress and knowledge and hear from people close to the victim and things like that. but i don't think we really need to do anything else or even really think about what's going on until something else happens. we know all that we need to know for now