Phoenix on Song Exploder

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Melody Bot, Jul 25, 2017.

  1. Melody Bot

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  2. Nate_Johnson

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    I love this podcast.
     
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  3. Craig Ismaili

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    Did they talk about the rapey lyrics?
     
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  4. bodkins

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    Exactly what I came to ask.
     
  5. SEANoftheDEAD

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  6. Craig Ismaili

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    "Just Open up your legs. Don't tell me don't tell me no."
     
  7. SEANoftheDEAD

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    Ahhhh. Yep. Pretty rapey.
     
  8. jeff.dart

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    The singer already addressed this in May when they first released the song, I don't know why he would have to continue to do so.
     
  9. Craig Ismaili

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    are you talking about the facebook post, because if youre talking about the facebook post where they were talking about how it is about "the tragedy of unrequited love", that just made it worse and made it seem even more rapey.
     
  10. jeff.dart

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    I guess i just figure what followed, "100% love, 0% violence," made it clear enough what he was aiming for. if people choose to continue to interpret it differently after his input, i don't know what else he can/should do.
     
  11. My idea: probably not write something that gross in the first place and when people are like "hey wtf" say something like, "oh fuck I didn't mean it that way, we'll totally not play the song/change some shit cause you're right it comes across as super fucking nasty. We're so sorry we wrote lyrics that make "Blurred Lines" look sane."
     
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  12. jeff.dart

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    that seems like a bit of an over reaction. i think there's always a risk of being misinterpreted when writing about sex, but i don't think they should kill the song because of one line that some people will continue to misinterpret even after the lyricist attempts to set the record straight. i mean, i still remember the response when starting line released bedroom talk, i think a similar thing happened but they still played the song. oh well, just my opinion.
     
  13. If you write those lyrics, in 2017, and you're shocked you are "misinterpreted," first off I think you're a fucking idiot. Just full stop I think you're dumb as a brick and your entire team has failed miserably that no one ever went ... hey, let's pause for a second. However, the authorial intent doesn't really matter here, we react to art divorced of the author, and what those lyrics say ... are disgusting. That reaction is very real. So, second, the moment people -- like sexual assault victims go, "woah, this is really doing some damage here, and here's why..." I think you're kinda an asshole if you keep going with it. I mean, it ruined an otherwise pretty fun album for me. They can keep playing it all they want, but I'll keep thinking they're shitty people for it given those lyrics and their reaction to people pointing out why it's fucked up.

    (Also, it's not really one line, "don't say no" is the chorus.)
     
  14. bodkins

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    He does address lyrics here. I understand where he's coming from, but if you have to explain the lyrics that in depth... maybe you should've changed the lyrics.
     
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  15. Craig Ismaili

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    Oh interesting that he addressed the lyrics in song exploder. Hopefully it gives some clarity because I haven't been able to like the song/album at all and I have liked their music in the past
     
  16. Craig Ismaili

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    Listened to the podcast, still not buying it
     
  17. jeff.dart Jul 25, 2017
    (Last edited: Jul 25, 2017)
    jeff.dart

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    I do know others who were initially offended by it who changed their minds after his clarification so I can see where to some it's just a misinterpretation, and I admit that I was confused when I first heard it, but to others that's not really the point. being his work, I suppose it's his prerogative whether he chooses to change his work to satisfy others, and I'm not sure how difficult that is when you spend that much time with something, and he may be seeing it as part of some larger work that is the concept of their album, so he might have a totally different lens. I do understand if people choose not to support this at all though. personally though, I wouldn't necessarily say that this makes them all shitty people if they want to play this thing they spent months creating and I realize that is simply my opinion and nothing more.