Olivia Rodrigo - SOUR (May 21, 2021) • Page 37

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here's the link for later

 

I'm watching it now, she did a little 5-ish minute Q&A, now its doing a countdown for at least 20 minutes.

 

About to watch it

 

Its good. There is a great performance of jealousy jealousy.

 

Yeah this was weekly impressive, she knocked it out of the park. The director killed it too.

Would love to hear these versions as a deluxe edition or something, some really cool stuff here.

Too bad Beyonce invented marching bands at Coachella though

 

Madison Hu, Iris Apatow, Conan Gray, Lydia Night (The Regrettes) at the end with her

 

Looks like Elvis Costello isn’t going to feed into the plagiarism claims against Olivia in regards to “Brutal” even though it’s pretty blatant.

I mean the blame shouldn’t really be on Olivia anyway, I highly doubt she actually wrote the song, blame should lie with the songwriters. Not a good week for her with 2 plagiarism claims.

 

Spoken like someone who doesn’t know what plagiarism is.

 

Because stan tribalism isn't going back into the toothpaste tube ever again and everything is awful.

 

This is an honest question.. could you give me a rundown of what plagiarism would actually constitute? I think all this uproar over the similarities is dumb, but I know some people who say the same thing that she 'stole' it, and I don't know how to respond.

 

Olivia co wrote every song on the album with her producer.

 

we live in a culture that believes in the ownership of ideas and unfortunately ideas are so unconsciously absorbed that i don't think think they can be owned, and i'm saying this as someone who has been plagiarized and who has (really truly accidentally) plagiarized someone else

 

I mean you could write a book (and I’m sure some have) about this topic, but to start: clear intent to steal and proof that they knew what they were doing. When you’re making music this indebted to popular music of the last 20+ years and using iconography that’s been part of pop culture for at least the last 50 years, folks are going to notice similarities.

If you wanted to go more philosophical with it, we could also go into the history of folk music that is an undercurrent of all singer songwriter music, which is based on recycling lyrics and melodies in new contexts as part of the oral tradition.

There’s also a difference between making a reference to some piece of pop culture you like and stealing it!

 

also the most important genres in music in the past forty years are all based on taking other people's recorded intellectual property and altering it

 

I think there is a pretty big difference between being influenced and directly ripping someone off. With music, everyone is influenced by something/someone, you're bound to get songs that sound similar. Unless you're directly ripping a melody from a song without the artists consent, I really don't see the issue.

 

We’re still refusing to believe that young women actually write their own songs huh

 

Everyone has a ghost writer, duh

 

damn i didn’t realize the idea of cheerleaders was owned by pom pom girls

how the fuck is this still being discussed lol

 

Kurt Cobain trying to write a Pixies song is fine, Dr Luke thinking no one notice if he ripped off The Veronicas isn't, it's usually pretty clear

 

well if you are referring to The Veronica and Pink, both are Dr Luke songs, so he ripped... himself off? Might not be your best reference haha

 

I’m not an expert on music plagiarism by any means; a lot more familiar with the writing/journalism side. But I think it has to be pretty identical to qualify as plagiarism versus homage or influence. Like, if Olivia hadn’t credited Taylor on “1 step forward, 3 steps back,” that would be plagiarism.

 

Wait I'm dumb I like Olivia and Elvis Costello which song of his has been blatantly ripped off I'm blanking

 

they are saying "Brutal" and "Pump It Up," like...... come on now, reach much?

 

TikTok and California Gurls are basically the same song as well. Both Luke songs.