NFL Season 2020 Football • Page 336

Loser changes their avatar to a picture of the winner Jimfacing

 

I mean, give Rivers Eli's defenses and its a different talk.

Eli Manning vs. Philip Rivers Player Comparison | Pro-Football-Reference.com

edit: Actually, comparing all 3, there's an argument that Rivers is the best statistically. But he and Ben are close enough that playoff performance and some clutch moments are enough to give it to Ben over him: Eli Manning vs. Philip Rivers vs. Ben Roethlisberger Player Comparison | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

Yeah we need to define what is “good” first haha because you and I wildly disagree on defining success sometimes.

 

hahahahahaha i dig that

 

No stat you show me can take away the Mario Manningham throw. Phil has years to prove he could win in the playoffs and he just. Ever did.

 

Brady v Peyton Manning

 

Tie. edit: edge to Rodgers until Wilson wins an mvp

Ben over Rivers over Eli. Eli is a true outlier multiple Super Bowl winning quarterback, he’s not on the same level as those guys.

 

Brady vs Cooper Manning would be a closer competition, Cooper had such good awareness he didn't play in the NFL

 

90 or better Quarterback Rating, and productive to the tune of, lets say, 250 yards a game / 1.5 touchdowns a game (4,000 yard / 24 TD season). Less than 10 INTs.

(note: not QBR, i hate that damn ESPN stat, the frame of reference makes no sense)

(note 2: we will judge productivity by average yards per game / TDs per game cause he might get hurt or something which would hurt his season totals.

 

90 would be 20th in the league. How about top 15 and I don’t have more than 3 lol wtf are you doing??? Posts. Frame of reference, Josh Allen had like 5 last year haha

 

Damn though top 15 in year two? And I lose if he's 16th? Kinda harsh tilt you got there. Especially since the Jags just gutted their defense & he'll be under a lot of pressure.

How about if hes 15 or better you lose, if he's 18 or worse i lose, if he's 16 or 17 it's still up for debate.

 

I get it, but, Eli has 4 playoff years where he's at a combined 55% passing with 4TD to 7INT...he might be singly responsible for costing good teams some playoff wins as well.

Basically, to me, there's Flacco (one playoff wonder), and then there's Eli (who did it in two playoffs)...where the collective of their careers is that they werent very good, pretty much never even top 5 in anything meaningful, and yet people will call them great off those one-offs.

Rivers is definitely far from clutch, but, he's 5-6 in the playoffs and has 5 seasons where he won at least one playoff game. Eli has two seasons he won a playoff game, both ended in SBs.

 

Its why I can put Ben over both of them; Ben is FAR and away better than Eli statistically. And he did plenty in Week 17s and early playoff games to take the Steelers deeper into the playoffs than they should have some years.

 

I like the, 9 or less INTs boundary, more than I like the WTF ARE YOU DOING picks boundary. Because the latter isn't entirely objective.

 

LIke I'm sorry Minshew being 16th or 17th in quarterback rating in year two with the situation he's in would still maintain my opinion he's worth rolling with. That would just mean he slightly improved off of last year when he already won our sorry ass team half the games he played.

 

Patrick Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Drew Brees
Lamar Jackson
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Deshaun Watson
Dak Prescott
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Carson Wentz
Jeaux Burreaux
Kyler Murray
Jimmy Garoppolo
Jared Goff
Gardner Minshew
Ryan Tannehill
Tua Tagovailoa
Kirk Cousins
Big Ben
Baker Mayfield
Daniel Jones
Derek Carr
Drew Lock
Teddy Bridgewater
Josh Allen
Sam Darnold
Jordan Love
Dwayne Haskins
Justin Herbert
Mitch Trubisky

 

I thoroughly dont agree Dak is above DeShaun

Not that there's not merit to you thinking he is.

 

I'd put Minshew higher. Probably ahead of Rodgers tbh

 

@EntryLevelDave this was the bet. If there's no regression then even if hes 17th or whatever he still fulfilled my claim.

 

Lotta bold stuff in that list but I’d agree with Randall that Watson should be above Dak even though I love Dak and think he’s top ten.

 

It never really ended

 

I was copy and pasting some things and didnt notice. thank you. Deshaun definitely > dak

 

Ryan over Wentz is definitely based more on Ryan's resume than Wentz's potential haha

I think Wentz will turn out better than Ryan but that's just me.

 

Ranking Burrow right now is impossible. His potential far exceeds his most likely outcome haha.

Like he'll PROBABLY be a middle of the pack *franchise* QB when it's all said and done. so probably where you ranked him. But I definitely think he shows a lot of traits that make it possible for him to be a whole tier higher.

 

I’ll let @Fucking Dustin decide a fair over and under to set but I’m into this bet.