NFL Season 2020 Football • Page 1525

This Emmitt Smith slander reminds me what one of my biggest film study points will be this offseason - footwork is extremely underrated by casual fans who just wanna see big man go fast

 

Bettis averaged under four yards a carry, find a new slant.

 

1. Not if Minshew is your QB.

2. This sounds like what Urban Meyer would do.

 

This, exactly. It's not about who had the better NFL career or who was the better player at all.

 

Not even remotely how averages work. @spiffa0 I need another math guy, help me out. Henry being a better home run hitter does not automatically make him a leagues better I Form short yardage back

 

Literally if you remove every 50+ yard carry Henry had, and every 4 or less yard rush Bettis had that ended in a TD, Henry has a better YPC.

 

ohhh gotcha, I get your point now

 

1) screens and angle routes are a thing.

2) this is what spread offenses do all over the NFL. Look at the Saints and Kamara.

 

Not when Gardner Minshew is your QB

 

Randall we're not playing Madden here. We're saying if you were picking RB's off their height, weight, speed, etc. you would take Peterson or Henry.

When they talk about prototype RBs, THOSE guys are the prototypes.

 

Jerome Bettis was always overrated IMO

 

It's hard to look at overall statistics and apply them situationally. I don't know how well Bettis did on 3rd and 4th and 1. I'm sure the data is out there somewhere.

Crazy Bettis stat - his last year he had 110 rushes and 9 TDs. He almost exclusively ran in goal line situations lol.

The frustrating thing about today's NFL is that it seems most teams attack 3rd and short out of shot gun. I'm not a scheme guy and maybe there's an advantage to doing that. But I like power football in those situations. Maybe Derrick Henry is the last of those kind of power backs.

 

The I-Formation is coming back. Just wait. Someone is going to line up in it and kick everyone's ass...then a ton of teams will try to replicate it again.

Time is a flat circle.

 

Bettis was not overrated. He carried that offense because his quarterbacks were garbage his entire career. Interestingly he only lead the league in carries in one year of his career.

 

Fun fact, speaking of YPC: Jamaal Charles is the NFL leader for qualified rushers among modern-era non-QBs. That would not have been my guess, but I guess that’s what happens when you go from peak to so injured that you’re basically out of the league

 

Im just saying a runningback’s actual skillset often supersedes that. Imagine being a team that passes on LaDainian Tomlinson because he’s too small.

yeah Jerome Bettis was pudgy and didn’t look athletic but the dude knew how to dance in and out of gaps while being big enough to carry 3 guys. He had ridiculous agility and vision for a huge back. He could catch, he was menacing in pass protection, he could run zone or power extremely well. I actually don’t think Henry is scheme versatile like that.

and again the era argument. Do you honestly believe Derrick Henry would be getting this many yards in a league that wasn’t so preoccupied with sub packages and passing formations? I really don’t believe he’s THAT much of a better back than Eddie George was (he’s better but, like you said, don’t just look at statistics)! I jsut think 90s defenses were much better suited to stop that kind of running back. He’s a faster Eddie George. But the inflated numbers are also a partial product of a league, where the Titans are successful doing the opposite of what most teams have to prepare for.

 

I’m not sure if Bettis is among the all time greats. But he most definitely carried the entire Pittsburgh Steelers offense in his back for 10 years.

 

And let it be known I still said Henry has top 10 potential. Not being biased haha. He’s really good but the greats had to run in a dirty league that stacked the box all the time. Pretty different. The stats aren’t comparable. The Titans are just more willing to run like an old school team than anyone else in this finesse modern league.

 

He was also one of my favorite players growing up. Dude was an absolute bowling ball who could still tightrope the sideline.

 

You could describe it as “bus-like”

 

Bettis is what he is...he only averaged more than 4ypc like 3 seasons out of 13, so, you werent leaning on him for game-breaking plays. You were using him for volume and long drives, and for that, he might be top 3 all-time.

I'll slightly disagree that Henry or AP are the prototype RBs, only because very few RBs can handle being that tall and not routinely get hurt. There's a reason most RBs are shorter than 6'0". But if you can find a 6'3" 245lb dude with blazing speed and insane quick twitch, yeah...I'd take that every day

 

Yes. Dude can bowl over Safeties and LBs too. He's bigger than a lot of MLB were.

Conversely, Jerome Bettis would probably be a flop today, because there's enough safeties and LBs that can cut him to bring him down, and his inability to catch makes him easier to game plan for

 

dude just casually beat the souls out of other teams with 35 carry 160 yard games lol. I’ve seen Bettis bleed 13 minute drives off the clock so many times in my childhood. It’s not always about the flashy shit. The Steelers literally could do diddly poo offensively and Bettis would just bust through people at the line of scrimmage and still get first downs all game

I did admit Henry’s durability so far is shocking. But I also wanna see what happens if the Titans start having issues with their offensive line / passing game again before I crown him like that.

 

i just believe Henry’s one Achilles heel is he’s not creative in tight spaces. As long as the blocking is good he doesn’t need to be. Bettis showed that skill all day long and refused to be contained.

 

This is a thing basically no team builds their offense around anymore, probably rightfully so, but if you know you have an elite defense and can confidently keep restocking it for a decade; and dont want to pay a QB the $40mil/yr going rate that franchise QBs demand, its a hell of a way to guarantee you stay competitive in every game.

Baltimore certainly does a version of it (555 rushes to 406 pass attempts), but its not based around time of possession and control