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I’m with Randall on this, I have no interest in Meyer at all. Afaik there are no plans for us to interview him, and I’d really like for it to stay that way.

No interest in having him come in with a young, unproven QB. Yeah it’s not his job to teach him specifically, but it is his job to go to the OC and be like “why the fuck are these guys not able to read cover 2 defenses? Fix it” and it’s pretty clear that he doesn’t do that with how awful his QBs have been. Burrow is good, but one QB out of however many he has had on his teams, is an awful track record. He won’t be coaching against the Big Ten anymore.

Plus isn’t his background defensive? If I’m trying to develop a QB and reinvigorate an offense, why do I hire him over someone with experience with offensive coaching in the NFL?

That being said I have no trust in almost anyone, being a Jets fan lol. See: my lack of faith in Trevor Lawrence

 

You guys are interviewing Dan Mullen though so haha.

Also, is his background defensive!? If so lmao.

But yeah, I'm not in favor of hiring Meyer. I just think some of the arguments are superstitious instead of focusing on the biggest reason why we shouldn't hire him - his team culture. I'd rather have Jeaux Brady, Arthur Smith, Robert Saleh, Pat Fitzgerald, Brian Daboll, Matt Eberflus, etc...etc... But I don't believe that he'll be a disaster because his scheme.

 

this made me laugh because it’s weirdly worded. Not many people refer to Kansas City as “up there”. (even though it is ironically enough almost perfectly placed in the middle (in a top/down aspect) of the country)

 

yeah i was the only one in that conversation south of DC so idk why i said up there lol

 

Meyer won 3 titles in college with lackluster QB play so I get Elf being optimistic that given a good QB he could do great things, but one thing that I haven’t seen mentioned and maybe people are taking into account, is that in college I imagine 2-3 wins each of those years were against total shit teams that are nowhere equivalent to what an nfl team would be as far as play and game planning. And a few other wins wouldn’t be far off from playing shit teams as the Big Ten doesn’t have consistent great teams outside of 2-3 teams.

I also wonder how Meyer would come across to grown ass adults vs dealing with teenagers on campus (although I guess that could be said for any college coach who has no nfl experience)

 

there can be more than one reason to not like the hire.

And by that logic everything is “superstitious” including the team culture thing - I think what you mean is “subjective”. All we can do is make a personal decision about whether we trust the coach to do X, Y, Z based on their past experience. I’m not gonna selectively say “he has shitty team culture because of the 2007 Florida Gators” but not apply that same empirical logic to “he doesn’t really put much emphasis on the details of playing quarterback” and be concerned about that as well.

 

To be fair, the two coaches in the NFL that jumped from college played in the conference known for playing no defense.

 

heres the thing - Tim Tebow was literally a college football god lol. He broke a lot of records, was the single most efficient and productive college QB by the time he was done playing in 2008 (of course his records have been leapfrogged several times since.)

And it’s an honest difference of opinion. @CarpetElf sees that as “damn, he did THAT with TIM TEBOW! He understands how to cater to a QB with specific needs!”

I see that as “damn now I REALLY don’t trust Urban Meyer’s offense... that’s some cheat codes shit that would never work in the NFL because teams actually cover the whole field with good athletes, and that’s why Tim Tebow and rookie-contract Alex Smith blew so much at the next level.”

often reminding me of Spurrier - Rex Grossman / Danny Wuerffel... Saban has a long list and at least early on Tu’a and Jalen Hurts both look overwhelmed (though Tua has the best chance to succeed for SURE.)... Kelly had Mariota who never learned anticipation / touch passing... etc etc

 

Well no, cause his shitty team culture was there for all of the Gators/Buckeyes. Superstitious would be saying that college coaches don't transition so automatically he won't. It's totally fair to be concerned about the QB thing, I just disagree with that. I don't see Urban being a catastrophe though.

 

Why is it on the college coach for failing to teach them instead of the NFL coach that drafts the player?

 

why do you assume that the NFL coach should be able to catch them up if they’re 4 years behind on the basics? To me that’s an uphill battle. It’s not like no programs in college prepare players for NFL style progressions. Plenty of them do and that’s a huge consideration when drafting players. Why wouldn’t it be for coaches?

 

Because that's literally their job?

 

Not to prepare QBs from a high school level, no.

 

Correct. It's to develop college QBs into the NFL. You said it's like starting from scratch

 

Well, that was out of nowhere

 

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I did not say it’s like starting from scratch. What I said was the whole field is covered, so practice reading whole field progressions and basic zone coverage plays is a pre requisite to the NFL a lot of the time. Some college coaches focus on it, some don’t, but I think practice with that mentality makes a huge difference in someone’s ability to adjust.

it’s like if I dove into Object Oriented Programming right away without learning basic code first. Could you learn all the basics fast enough to grasp the more layered and dense concepts? Maybe, but it’s a lot harder that way. Mostly you’d be cramming and getting confused.

 

Here’s my only input...

Trevor Lawrence has success in college: TANK FOR HIM!!!

Urban Meyer has success in college:
Well sure, but he’s never done it in the NFL.

The risk with Lawrence is far greater than a coach since a coach is just money so if he brings his college success to the NFL, great. If he doesn’t, fire him.

 

Are you sure meyer isn’t gonna make gene smith your gm again?

 

No that was team culture you were talking about, sorry I remembered incorrectly.

 

Imo college you should know how to read cover 2 / 3 / 4

Because by the time you get to the NFL, you need to start learning how teams disguise those calls, or otherwise fake them and then blitz you... so that you can adjust. Because that is where Young QBs can be very vulnerable to turnovers. You need to understand basic strategy before you can even recognize or understand meta-strategy and counter-strategy.

 

Hear me out though - if your QB CANT read those things but can do other things. Why would you waste your time making him do something he's bad at instead of things he's good at? Your job is to win with the players you have, not prepare them to win for someone else. It's not like it's Meyer's fault they can't read a defense and is football IQ really something we're worried about with Lawrence?

 

because NFL defenses are all gonna know how to attack and confuse him that way regardless. It’s often the opponent that dictates what you can and can’t do. If you don’t know Cover 4 when you see it... because you threw 9 routes and post corners all day in college anyway, because your WRs were just bigger and faster.

and you come to the NFL and don’t understand when the coach is trying to prepare you for a Cover 4 look to shift to a Cover 2 with a safety blitz... that shit is easily gonna get you sacked or picked and your heads gonna be SPINNING. That’s what we see with Dwayne Haskins right now. He is so far behind he doesn’t even understand what he’s fucking up.

I don’t BLAME a college coach for not doing NFL things to win in college and keep making millions in college. What I’m saying is it hurts the prospect of me believing he’ll be good at the next level. Some coaches in college do both, and those are the ones who project best to the next level. It’s a very competitive talent pool. It’s not their FAULT for winning however they gotta win, but the fact remains there are NFL coordinators, and other college coaches who have more NFL style concepts, to choose from. I’m gonna trust them more because I’ve seen it before.

Urban Meyer is a perfect example of a guy who should stay in college where he’s the most successful / gets paid more anyway. He’s never proven he can do it the NFL way and you’re right he doesn’t have to. He can enjoy his cushy broadcasting job and always have the ability to return to college and go 12-0 with some other team and stay famous as a successful coach. But that also doesn’t mean an NFL team should trust him that much haha.

 

Then it's a good thing we're taking Trevor Lawrence and not Dwayne Haskins

No coach in college consistently does this. And the three coaches that jumped from college to the NFL have a total of two QBs to their name.