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Moose Blood Release Statement • Page 4

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Melody Bot, Feb 23, 2018.

  1. emeryk3 Feb 25, 2018
    (Last edited: Feb 25, 2018)
    emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    Obviously support the victim through the process and encourage more victims to speak out. Only 15% of victims go to the police, as they report the process to be "too embarrassing", "too trivial", or a "private matter". Support them.

    Advocating for change/focus is also good. But your current solution to assume a party (victim or perpetrator) is guilty without a fair trial is wrong. That's wrong. Especially if the accused claim they're 'innocent'. Youre not changing my mind on that until you have a better solution.

    Now everything is just being repeated so isn't much needed to be said. Peace, Jesse.
     
  2. dylan

    we're all just gonna try our fucking best Prestigious

    you are, you obtuse troll.
     
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  3. emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    no I'm not. reading comprehension, Dylan. try it.
     
  4. personalmaps

    guppy Supporter

    Spare me your false equivalencies, please. There’s a huge different between siding with abused women and racist rhetoric. To compare the two is absurd in the extreme.

    Finally, I’m not a judge or juror, so I don’t owe anyone a fair trial. I am free to look at the case and choose to believe this girl over a guy in a band that’s already been proven to be full of shitty men. There are a million bands exactly as mediocre as Moose Blood with ZERO allegations of inappropriate behavior. Maybe put some effort into those instead?
     
  5. emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    Doesn't matter. You don't just cherry-pick a data cluster to suit your verdicts on independent cases.

    You're free to believe what you want. Doesn't mean it's always right/fair. Also, I don't care about Moose Blood. In fact, I reported the drummer has a shady reputation on THIS SITE (on a thread about sexual allegations in this scene) long before his allegations even came out/was kicked out of the band. It's the sentiment of immediately assuming guilt, without a fair trial (especially if they protest their innocence & when it's going to court) that I disagree with. People deserve trials.
     
  6. Jesse West

    Cursed by my ancestry Supporter

    I just want to remind everyone that this started with this user saying he'd rather be naive than self righteous...

    I love irony.
     
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  7. When you spent three days arguing someone's presumed innocence on a message board but you totally aren't taking a side.
     
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  8. emeryk3 Feb 25, 2018
    (Last edited: Feb 25, 2018)
    emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    '3 days' more like return to notifications an entire day later to reply. My 3 days aren't even remotely the same to your 3 days on chorus, but ok.

    Not protesting innocence just because I'm not protesting their guilt. but again ok.
     
  9. Wharf Rat

    I know a little something you won't ever know Prestigious

    There are different standards of proof for different courts in different countries. We understand as a society that in certain circumstances, less convincing evidence is needed to hold a defendant liable or guilty. It seems to me that in a small, insulated scene like the one this band is a part of, we can understand, regardless of what other outside institutions decide with their varying standards of evidence, that if we deem it suitable we can hold offenders accountable with our own standards of evidence by organizing non-judicial tactics of community boycott, awareness raising, etc. Given the state of this scene and others like it, where abuse is clearly rampant and victims are still generally not given anything close to justice, I think that a reasonable standard of evidence for this community as a whole to decide that X band should not be on our tours, playing our venues, be around our young fans, is that when there is a credible accusation, we take it seriously, and to the best of our ability don't allow the offender to have the chance to do it again, until the accusation is no longer credible. This is clearly a credible accusation, and the band has had similar issues before. That meets my standards.
     
  10. Fuck off; my god you’re annoying.
     
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  11. emeryk3 Feb 25, 2018
    (Last edited: Feb 25, 2018)
    emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    Says you. Didn't need to chirp in but with nothing more than pathetic ad hominems, but no, of course you do cos it's Jason Tate.

    Just prematurely inflict your ban-from-commeting or ban-from-website like you always do (as if VPNs or proxys don't exist) when you disagree with someone. Whatever fulfils your superiority complex, Jason.
     
  12. Jesse West

    Cursed by my ancestry Supporter

    I want you to frame this post and hang it in your home as a lasting reminder of how lame you are.
     
  13. SamLevi11

    Trusted Prestigious

    Might be worth pointing out that in a UK court, you aren't really voting "innocent" or "guilty" anyway.

    We have to vote "innocent" unless it is " beyond all reasonable doubt". So if it's even a tiny chance he didn't do it, he would get off regardless. Probably why we actually fail to jail a lot of sex offenders.
     
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  14. Carrow

    Japanese Bonus Track

    You're a fucking asshole, my dude. The woman involved isn't backing down even though this shithead band is threatening her with legal action. You seriously don't think for a second that Eddy might have a case to answer? People like you are honestly the scum of the fucking earth. Enjoy your ban.
     
  15. emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    it'll be framed to further archive how Jason Tate and his friends like to dogpile/bully members on his website and then cowardly ban them. It's funny cos I've actually had messages of support but they don't contribute here because they know exactly what happens.

    Good luck with your safe pace in the real world, buddy.
     
  16. Rob Hughes

    You know me I've always been a little masochistic

    lmao @ "messages of support"
     
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  17. emeryk3 Feb 26, 2018
    (Last edited: Feb 26, 2018)
    emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    Why should she back down? When did I say Eddy might not be guilty? It's not even case specific. It's more the notion of assuming EITHER party is guilty just by association. 'Scum of the earth', yeah dude, I'm literally Hitler for thinking to hold 'guilty' accusations until the final verdict of court cases. Nice one.

    I support the victim through the process. I also wholeheartedly agree with what Wholf Rat said. For this case, you shouldn't support the band unless the matters got resolved and if it's been proven they truly are innocent. I also criticised the band for taking so long (especially as they were touring since). They should've acted sooner, not exactly wait for this to blow off steam. I said from the beginning "take the allegations SERIOUSLY" and "support the victim", but hey, people need to interpret what they can to strawman their own arguments.

    If I wasn't fine with a ban or being compiled by 10+ people (including direct insults) then I'd keep my opinion to myself like sadly too many people ghosting here have to do. Except I can handle it. But hey, shutdown any voice you disagree with. Good luck with that in the real world. Glad the rest of the world isnt chorus.fm
     
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  18. emeryk3 Feb 26, 2018
    (Last edited: Feb 26, 2018)
    emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    laugh all you want but it's legit, robbers. Glad you made it in time to join in on the fun.
     
  19. Carrow

    Japanese Bonus Track

    the extremely real messages of support this dude has absolutely received
     
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  20. suicidesaints Feb 26, 2018
    (Last edited: Feb 26, 2018)
    suicidesaints

    Trusted Prestigious

    You're a lawyer and you think the burden of proof should be on the defendant?
     
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  21. Wharf Rat

    I know a little something you won't ever know Prestigious

    Hey man respond to my post
     
  22. suicidesaints

    Trusted Prestigious

    I just wanted to post because I love this site, I love a lot of people on this site, but I feel like things can't be freely discussed without a certain group of people coming down on those that have a differing view point.

    I'm completely against victim blaming, but I'm also in favor of "innocent until proven guilty" - I kind of stand in the middle of this debate between @emeryk3 and EVERYONE ELSE.

    I dunno. I agree with most everyone in this thread, but I feel like @emeryk3 does make (some) valid points. I just wish there could be more open discussions about it rather than everyone piling on @emeryk3 - I know for a fact that some people don't post because they know their opinions will not only go unheard, but that they'll be scrutinized or possibly banned. I just always liked this site because for the most part people were friendly, and cared about sharing/teaching/learning.
     
  23. emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    I apologise. Replying to a million posts is overwhelming but as I stated in a reply, I do agree with what you said. Particularly:

    100%. Not necessarily accusing them of immediarte guilt but holding them accountable for their responsibility to resolve them. That's why I was critical they took so long to address the matter. There isn't really a perfect solution, but my problem arose to people saying, "I choose to immediately believe the victim cos statistics rarely lie." I know from anecdotal experience that, yes, they can. So I will stand against that line of thinking at the expense of being dogpiled and banned. That doesn't undermine the staggering amount of verified abuse and faults with the justice system, but I take offense at that line of thinking. You can form your own opinion on evidence (but an official verdict is still superior).
     
  24. Jesse West

    Cursed by my ancestry Supporter

    You know what, @emeryk3 ? I take it back.

    You shouldn't hang that post, you should use all your posts here as wall paper.
     
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  25. emeryk3

    Wharf Mice

    shall do. I won't forget you, Jesse x
     
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