Marvel's The Defenders (Aug 18, 2017) TV Show • Page 6

I'm surprised people hate Danny's character so much. He's a bit boring, but other than him annoyingly telling people "I'm the immortal iron fist" every 5 minutes, I think he's fine.

It's Matt who is pissing me off. The first episode, he pumped that wheelchair kid full of negative shit to build up to a positive message that was only a few words long and super vague. Then, his whole "well maybe the city will be destroyed, but if we try to stop it from being destroyed, then loved ones might die". Like, dude, you've seen what The Hand can fucking do, and your loved ones are gonna die if the city is destroyed regardless.. it's just insanely hard to believe how he's still acting like Stick is nuts when he knows damn well he isn't.

 

Matt really felt like he way too close to the wrong parts of this situation. Danny, say what you will, at least had his focus on "We gotta stop the Hand, whatever it is they're doing". Jessica and Luke are far enough removed from the entire thing to think "We don't want to be involved, but if we have to be, we're save the city". Matt seemed to have 100% of his focus the entire time on rehabilitating Elektra, which was fine the first time he tried it, but when he messed up their plans several times to do so... His annoying habit of keeping everything important a secret until the last second was really annoying too. It just started bothering me by the end.

 

I think a lot of my dislike of Iron Fist is rooted in the guy that plays him being a terrible actor

 

Finished. It was fine and worth the watch just for the character interactions. The actual plot was pretty bad though. The Hand was terrible and I have no idea what Elektra's motivations were for becoming the big bad. There was some vague stuff about ditching your masters and being afraid of death, but I don't see how the character from DD S2 becomes that. Plus I'm never a fan of a big team up ending with a one-on-one fight. Makes the rest of the team seem kind of useless. And how does a building being blown up get swept under the rug? I think the elements were there for a great show, but the writers didn't really know how to end it and threw things together.

 

Just finished. Missed opportunity for sure.

 

Best Netflix Marvel series since Jessica Jones S1. Not saying a whole lot, but it's true. I enjoyed it, it was cool seeing all of them together. And also anything that gets me more Krysten Ritter and Mike Colter being these characters is ok in my book. They're easily the strongest parts of the Netflix Marvel shows, by a huge margin. Can't wait for JJ S2 now.

 

I enjoyed this overall, but I really wish the final scene was not included.

 

Danny on the rooftop or Matt waking up in the convent?

 

The FINAL scene.... Haha

The later.

 

But it's setting up Born Again though!

 

The most disappointing thing about the entire series was Danny still not wearing a damn suit in the ending on the rooftop

 

That means nothing to me.

From a story perspective, it didn't need that note. It's just like BVS. "Killing" a character and revealing their survival mere minutes later. Really could have gone with it not being confirmed. There was no way they could ditch him, of course he would be back. I just think it would have been nice to let his sacrifice breathe for awhile.

 

At least that wasn't the final scene. Well, the actual scene, not your idea.

 

Idk, I didn't mind it so much because there was just no way that it was actually going to happen. Also because of what it means for that character's next season, it got me really excited.

 

I haven't read the comics, so it meant absolutely nothing to me in terms of setting something up. Based purely on the show, it cheapens his action at the end there by taking away the consequence so quickly.

 

I'm with Greg on it. It was obvious that Daredevil wasn't going to actually die because he's by far the biggest Defender in the Netflix universe, but at least maintaining that idea for a bit would have been nice.

I have to wonder, though, once Daredevil season 3 comes around, will Matt immediately show back up, or will we have Danny taking the mantle on for an episode or two to honor Matt's last request while Matt hangs out in the convent

 

Ep 4 I like that Jessica couldn't be around when Sigourney Weaver gave her little speech because she probably wouldn't have let her walk out of there on top of the world like everyone else.

 

Ep 6 Luke blocking a sword with his arms was awesome. More of that please.

 

Finished yesterday. Got sick of Danny's constant whining real fast, so I'm glad I skipped Iron Fist. Also, I wish Trish and Malcolm were given just a little bit more to do/had more interactions with the side characters from other series like Misty/Colleen. Other than that, this was pretty solid. I think the pacing was perfect the entire way through, and I'm actually very glad this was only eight episodes.

About that last scene, Well, if Matt's alive, what about Elektra, then? She's the friggin Black Sky, after all. There's gotta be some sort of mystical shit happening there, right? But how cheap would it be for her to "come back from the dead" a second time? Anyway, I haven't read the comics, so I read up on Born Again just a little bit. Can't say I love Karen's involvement in that storyline (drug addict/porn actress? what?), but I'm certainly interested in, like, everything else, if that is in fact the direction they're planning to go for season 3.

 

About the Daredevil talk:

Born Again is fantastic. It's by the creative team behind Batman: Year One and is, I'd argue, the best Daredevil story in the comics. So, seeing Matt there at the end and hearing Maggie referenced should excite me.

However, using this Defenders story as the jumping off point for such a story is so frustrating. I loved that the original was Kingpin dismantling his life and him having to claw his way back up. Karen's role was messy (even though it produced a touching meeting between her and Matt after everything went down) and both couldn't and shouldn't happen in the Netflix world, but if you combined it with elements of Bendis' "Out" storyline, you'd have the pieces necessary for a strong sequel to Daredevil S1. (S2 was more of a Defenders S0 w/ a touch of Punisher S0.)

The gross mishandling of Elektra and the lame Hand story was largely why Daredevil S2 fell so far short. Defenders was fun enough with all the character interaction to work in spite of being built off the worst aspects of Marvel Netflix thus far, but I want it to be done. I don't want S3 to be about Matt recovering from this Elektra nonsense, telling a story arc that requires Defenders to make sense. I want the season to open with normal Matt, have Kingpin pull the strings to tear him down, and then shift mid-season to Matt picking himself up again.

Essentially, I'm just mad at the missed opportunity. Defenders was good, and Daredevil S3 could be good. It's just a squandering of this great storytelling potential that was just sitting there in front of them.

 

As of yesterday, all 8 of my reviews have been posted. I don't want to spam you all with 8 different links, so here's my contributor page where you can find them all. Deanna Chapman

Overall, I enjoyed watching and reviewing this episode by episode. It was quite a bit of work, but worth it. I'll also be recording a podcast about the show this week. So it's safe to say I'll be getting out all of my thoughts on this show in multiple formats haha.

 

Watched the whole season this weekend and absolutely loved it. Of course there were some flaws but man what a fun time. My girlfriend and I had a blast.

I honestly like Iron Fist quite a bit in this and of course everyone else was great too. Love, love, love me some Daredevil.

So happy Marvel/Netflix gave us these series.

 

I haven't read Born Again so I don't know if this happens (or ever), but is there going to be some twist with Matt

where he wakes up from the accident able to see?

 

On EP 6 and I feel like very little has actually happened.

 

I really enjoyed this series, but it could have been so much more. Loved the character interactions, and I can't wait for JJ2.

I so hope LC and JJ can overlap more in the future, their chemistry is so much better than Luke and Claire.