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It doesn’t really matter what people were saying. It matters what the directors actually said at the announcement.

Doom is not Doom even if he’s a Stark variant. Victor Von Doom is Victor Von Doom. Tony Stark is Tony Stark.

 

We know Sylvia was made up for the MCU. We also know the Russos directly said “Victor Von Doom…he is one of the more complex characters of all the comics” at SDCC. They’re talking about an established character directly from the comics.

I’m not seeing the comparison here.

 

no one ever said anything about confirming lol, just that there is merely the possibility, and you keep insisting that it is a bad choice with no precedent, which is incorrect

 

You're suggesting he can't be a variant because he's named Victor Von Doom. I'm suggesting that Sylvie is direct proof that isn't true.

You're arguing in circles and it's very frustrating.

 

Sylvia was never announced to be *the* Loki Laufeyson from the comics.

RDJ’s character was, and continues to be, called *the* Victor Von Doom from the comics.

 

I didn't say this at all. What are you talking about?

And this whole argument started because Justin said this confirmed Doom is Doom and not a variant.

Like if you're not even reading the argument, don't get involved.

 

im gonna be real i clicked quote on the wrong post because your avatars look similar and I didn't sleep well lol. my post was intended for justin, which I think can be inferred from what I was saying. my bad though.

 

He's still Victor Von Doom. Why are you arguing that Sylvie being a Loki is fine even though she wasn't called Loki but Victor being a Stark isn't fine because he wasn't called Stark? That's illogical.

 

Tony Stark and Victor Von Doom are two different characters. Sylvia and Loki are variants of the same character.

If you want to argue that RDJ is playing a variant of Victor Von Doom that looks like RDJ, ok. I’d agree with that.

RDJ actually playing Tony Stark that’s cosplaying as Doom.…there’s nothing to suggest it.

 

just block each other

 

This splitting hairs over semantics of lore implications of headline excerpts of an unfinished movie is pretty wild, even by “Marvel thread” standards, lol.

This thread would become so extra incoherent if its 2 top posters each existed in their own timeline.

 

This is not what I was saying. At all.

 

But that’s the only way Tony Stark could be Doom. They’re two different characters. One has to be fake. If “Doom” is a Stark variant then he isn’t Victor Von Doom, he is Stark calling himself Doctor Doom (which would be dumb because Doctor Doom isn’t a title).

It would be like a Peter Parker variant being Doctor Strange. That can’t be so. The individual would either be Peter Parker or Stephen Strange. Even worse if Tom Holland was announced to be playing Stephen Strange.

 

Why are you taking something they said on stage as factual evidence for your case? These dudes are idiots, first of all, but saying he's Victor Von Doom doesn't necessarily mean he's not a Stark variant. We have like no info on these movies, so we can't say anything with certainty. Andrew Garfield also said he wasn't in NWH. These people just say shit, whether it's a lie or a half truth. Again, I'm not saying your statement is wrong. I'm saying it's weird to state it as fact when we don't actually have anything to go off of and your point was jumpstarted because the Russos said the casting was Feige's idea in an article.

 

Denying you’re in a movie before your character is revealed isn’t exactly the same as directors saying “this character is in the movie” and then it turns out that character is not in the movie.

We do have something to go off of…Victor Von Doom being announced by name.

 

Sylvie and Loki aren't titles either. So by your logic, Sylvie must be cosplaying as Loki.

 

But Sylvie IS a Loki and she has a different name. The MCU has set precedence. That's all I'm saying.

 

Sophia Di Martino was never announced to be playing Loki Laufeyson. RDJ was announced to be playing Victor Von Doom.

 

I knew you were gonna pinpoint that, hence why I clarified that it isn't just lies they tell. They can say one thing on stage and it can be warped into being "technically right" by their standards. These are the people that couldn't even agree on how parts of IW and Endgame work.

He can still be a Doom and a Stark variant. You know, because he looks like Stark. Both things can be true. I'm not saying it's a lie. I'm saying, you can't know for sure what they meant or what will happen until we see it because we're not on the inside.

 

Yes, she’s a variant of the same character.

Stark and Doom are not variants of each other. They are different characters.

 

Doom and Stark are not the same characters. They can’t be variants of each other. If “the directors might be dumb” is the evidence to support that then ok. I’ll leave that to you.

And Evans portrayed two characters that look like Evans. It doesn’t make Johnny a Steve variant.

 

But you don't know what they're doing with it. So you can't say anything with certainty. He could reveal he's a Peter Parker variant when we sit down in the theater, if we're all still alive. Nobody but the people making the movie know how Doom is being played out.