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There was also a version of Age of Ultron's script that had Carol Danvers (and Spider-Man) joining the new team in that final scene. I think Joss also said some of the Scarlet Witch hand CGI was recycled from what was in development for a Carol Ms Marvel.

With how much their plans naturally shift along the way, it's so frustrating that it's taken so long to up the ratio of characters who aren't white dudes. I really hope Phase 4 raises the bar considerably.

 

Joss also said he wanted Wasp in the first Avengers too right? If he had his way, the bar wouldn't be as low as it is right now. I guess that's why that report said Scar Jo keeps hitting him up for her solo movie?

 

given Scarlett's extremely white feminism re: Ghost In The Shell lately i don't even know how to feel about a Black Widow movie anymore.

 

It'd be the first solo female Marvel movie. I'd feel good about that. Every celebrity is problematic. I'd rather have a Black Widow movie than not, problematic as Scarlett Johansson's statements and actions have been.

 

I keep picturing Lucy as a Marvel movie and I'd love that

 

I'm pretty sure Black Widow was included because Wasp wasn't an option, so you still would've had a Smurfette situation. Monica Rambeau (Spectrum/Captain Marvel) could've made a nice addition to the first Avengers film.

It'd be the second 'cause it won't be out before Captain Marvel, but the point still stands.

 

Captain Marvel will start filming in January 2018 and Ant Man And The Wasp will start filming this July
Captain Marvel Begins Filming in January 2018
Ant-Man and the Wasp Sets July Filming Start Date

 

CAPTAIN AMERICA Star Chris Evans Reportedly Moving On From Steve Rogers After AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR

Perhaps this means the character could die in IW. I'm not sure if I want Bucky to take up the mantle or if Marvel should leave CA alone for a few years after Chris leaves.

 

'Cause those are the only options... Steve, Bucky, or no one... Too bad there are no other possible options with clear comic book precedent...


I still don't think they will or should kill Steve. Chris Evans' talk has ever implied he's done with the character. It's just the constant grind that he doesn't like. Which, considering the 1-2-3 punch of WS/AoU/CW, isn't surprising. Put him in a Nick Fury-esque supporting role, minimizing his prep, shooting, and promotion time, and he'll be fine. Let other characters take the lead, but leave him on the table for future stories after some years on the sidelines.

 

You don't think it would be fitting if Steve was killed by Thanos?

 

They could always age him too

 

If someone dies at the hands of Thanos, I think it should be Tony. He's had the most interesting character arc thus far and would have the most earned ending right now. It'd also be super appropriate thematically for this culmination of the MCU that began with the first Iron Man film. Plus, while I'm down with the role Tony has thus far in Spider-Man's life, I'd like him to get some time as his own hero w/out that support, which a Tony death would open up.

While a Tony death would be the most exciting next step for that character, there are better uses for Steve. I think he's been set up well to become the glue holding the Avengers world together and guiding them while also taking a step back and letting younger/newer heroes shine. There's comic precedent for a Director Rogers, and I think it'd be a more exciting decision from a storytelling perspective.

 

I wouldn't personally like that, lol. I think they could justify him stepping back into a similar role without doing that.

I'm a fan of crazy convoluted storytelling, but I never really liked that decision.

 

I agree with Tony dying to end Phase 3. Especially with RDJ being 50+. He can't keep being Iron Man forever.

 

Plus, if they go by recent comics (where's he's in a coma, not dead, but I'd still kill him in the MCU), they can always have RDJ voice a new Jarvis-style AI if they miss him. Especially if they decide to do something with Ironheart (Riri Williams), though Rhodey could always use that, too.

 

Honestly I love all these characters, I don't want to see any of them die unless its like a Han Solo situation where they are at the age where they don't have another movie left in them.

I also know I'm in the minority but I don't want anyone else to become a new Cap America. IMO let Bucky stay Bucky, let Falcon stay Falcon. There's no reason those characters can't stay who they are and be bigger parts of the story/get their own movie. It feels gimmicky to me.

 

Yeah, there also shouldn't be another Flash after Jay Garrick or Green Lantern after Alan Scott. Barry Allen and Hal Jordan were so gimmicky.

 

Haha to be fair yeah it is super gimmicky to have more than one Flash. The show right now feels so weird that everyone just has the same speed powers lol. Just like everyone in Arrow uses a Bow and Arrow as their weapon for some reason. I think the comics got away with it because back when they were created, comics were corny. Plus Jay is from another Earth. Also it's different to have a new character come in and become another Cap than to take a pre existing character and adapt, abandoning their other character. To me it makes it feel like "oh, they weren't good enough so now they need a new title" when they are great already. Like I said, I know I'm in the minority of feeling that way.

And no as well to GL, because they are space cops duh

 

Um. Hm. This is gonna blow your mind. But, Barry Allen isn't the original Flash. He was launched in the 50s as a replacement to Jay Garrick. Similarly, Hal Jordan replaced the previously established Alan Scott, who wasn't a space cop. Also, Scott Lang replaced Hank Pym.

Legacy characters have been a part of superhero entertainment since decades before your birth. There's nothing more gimmicky about mantle-passing after your birth than before. There are those who hated the first Avengers roster change. Some people's definitive Flash is Wally West. I once saw someone admit he was mad as a kid when Peter Parker returned because his first comic starred Ben Reilly.

People have whined about change since before your birth. People probably will after your death.

 

I didn't mean for my statement to let on that I didn't know all that. That was a nice write up, but it doesn't really change my mind about having pre established heroes changing into another title. Ben Riley, Miles, Scott Lang, those are cool IMO because they are new characters. I'd feel the same way if Rodey became Iron Man. Keep him War Machine.

Forgot Allen wasn't a space cop. His GL was always weird and his ring was magic I think.

Wally has always been the best Flash

 

Wait. You started by saying that preestablished characters shouldn't change their title to a different preestablished title, but then ended by saying former Kid Flash was the best Flash? Plus, Ben Reilly was Scarlet Spider before he was Spider-Man, lol, dang. Come on.

It's ok for a character to pass their mantle to another hero. Or share their mantle. It might take some getting used to in some cases for you, but that's ok.

 

Well yeah, to me those two things are separate. I never knew Wally as kid flash. As a 90s kid, Barry was already long dead and Wally was well into his run as just The Flash. Combined with the cartoons and everything, he's my Flash without any talk of him being kid flash.

I also didn't know about Riley being Scarlet Spider, the arc I read as kid was when Peter had given up the role of Spiderman to him thinking he was the clone, then GB kills Ben and Peters baby I think and Ben reveals that he was the clone the whole time. I remember it was huge double size issue. Talking about it is def a blast from the past!

 

But like, this is all the more reason why mantle passing (or sharing) is a good thing. The average person probably has as many holes in their comic knowledge as you do, or even more. And, new fans are constantly coming around. If Marvel kept Sam Wilson as a Captain America in the comics, did it in the films, and even had some animated Sam Cap stuff, it wouldn't take long for a lot of people to see him the way you see the legacy characters you were introduced to after they were established.

There are no laws of nature establishing who Captain America or Spider-Man or Hulk is. They are what creatives and executives decide they are.

 

True, I think I have a fair amount of comic knowledge but there is just too much lol. I guess it's just I don't want the Falcon to go away because I think he's so cool is all it boils down to lol.

 

You say that as if Sam becoming Cap would reduce his coolness somehow, lol. He'd have the same wings and personality but gain that sweet Cap shield (and probably more screen time).