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Marvel Cinematic Universe Movie • Page 224

Discussion in 'Entertainment Forum' started by Melody Bot, Jan 11, 2016.

  1. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    For me it says "The link to this photo or video may be broken, or the post may have been removed", so I assume that's the problem.
     
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  2. justin.

    請叫我賴總統 Supporter

    I misunderstood the post. Cretton was talking about a deal that was made during development of Shang-Chi 1. I thought he meant that development has started on Shang-Chi 2.

    I removed it.
     
  3. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    This is why everyone should always quote everything, at all times, no exceptions.

    And why edit buttons should be abolished.
     
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  4. justin.

    請叫我賴總統 Supporter

    Here’s the post, but it’s just about the screenwriter getting a Morris tattoo. Not development on Shang-Chi 2

     
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  5. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    Heh. I appreciate you reposting it, but to be clear, my post was partially in jest and partially because post deletion is a minor pet peeve of mine. I feel like it disturbs the preservation of the conversation.

    My feeling is, if I want to remove a post before anyone notices, that's one thing, but if someone's already noticed it and commented about it, then I have to live with my mistake.
     
  6. justin.

    請叫我賴總統 Supporter

    I just thought it had become irrelevant due to it not being about Shang-Chu 2. That’s why I removed it.
     
  7. Lepi182

    Trusted Supporter

    One of the things that irks me with Phase 4, so far, is that it all feels so disconnected. Everything we've got has post credits scenes, but the only things that connect in any sort of meaningful way so far is WandaVision and MOM. Even the multiverse stuff in Loki, NWH, and MOM feel like 3 totally different ideas. Feels like the formula they used for connecting the Infinity Saga from movie to movie was just thrown out.
     
  8. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    I dunno if disconnected is the right word, cause I feel there are throughlines here, but they're nebulous because this is just the beginning.

    People forget it wasn't immediately clear that the throughline of Phase 1 was the Infinity Stones until Phase 2 put a name to them.

    Here we have clear concepts of legacy and the multiverse being thrown around, and I expect it will be a while yet until those concepts bear discernible fruit.
     
  9. Greg May 7, 2022
    (Last edited: May 7, 2022)
    Greg

    The Forgotten Son Supporter

    We didn’t know the infinity saga was a concept til later on, sure. But at the end of the first Ironman we are told about the Avengers initiative telling us they are building up to an Avengers movie.

    We then get the Thanos tease at the end of Avengers, telling us he is the future villain for our heroes. I can’t imagine anyone seeing him and knowing his character would think that the infinity stones weren’t going to be involved. the endgame was pretty clear, just unsure of how long it would take to get there or what it would look like when it happens.

    Phase 2 is s mix of serving the bigger picture. Ironman 3 and Winter Soldier don’t really serve the big picture. Cap does give us the Hydra reveal that will effect some other movies coming up, but by the end of Ultron is basically a non threat and any survivors are in hiding. Meanwhile Dark World drops the first time infinity stone is said and fully confirms that’s where we’re headed. Guardians only confirms and teases Thanos and the stones even more. Ultron again leaves us with a tease of Thanos saying he’ll do it himself. Things are progressing, if slowly. Ant-Man kinda does it’s own thing but tees us off to start…

    phase 3. Where Civil War blows the Avengers up, setting the ground for them to fail against Thanos. Though we didn’t know that at the time. We then explore characters on their own journey during this time. Then Infinity War is the beginning of the end and I don’t feel like I need to go beyond this.

    So far for Phase 4, I guess Kang could be viewed as the tease for the next big bad. But there’s nothing in phase 4 so far that teases a smaller or shorter term goal like the Avengers tease at the end of Ironman. WandaVision leads to MOM. Loki allegedly allowed No Way Home to go down. Beyond that, it’s all disconnected and lacking any sort of real goal or over arching story. Black Widow is basically a Phase 3 movie serving as a prequel to Infinity War. Falcon/WS was it’s own thing. Moon Knight was its own thing. Shang-Chi teases his future involvement with other heroes, but that’s it. Eternals was it’s own thing.

    im not upset by this. It may be too early for whatever this next saga will ultimately build to. But we’re 5 movies and 6 tv shows in to Phase 4 and there isn’t s clear goal or overarching story or idea for Phase 4 like we got for Phase 1 in Ironman. Phase 2 was less clear for its own phase, but at that point the big picture of the infinity sage became clear so it serviced that more. I think it’s okay to point out the lack of that in Phase 4. But like they’re on their 28th film of movies that range from I like to loving. I trust they have some sort of plan, even if it doesn’t involve shorter goals at this point.
     
  10. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    Here's how things appear to me.

    Wandavision and Loki both tie into Dr. Strange, but not for the same reasons, although WandaVision did introduce some concepts that I assume will have bearing on the larger multiverse plot, like about nexus beings. I haven't seen Dr. Strange yet, so I can't comment on this whether more is discussed there.

    To me, WandaVision, Loki, No Way Home, and Strange are all loosely connected to the multiverse, which is going to be a bigger driving force moving forward, presumably carried further by Loki Season 2 and Ant-Man. Agatha could also continue this presumably.

    Then, there's legacy. WandaVision, The Falcon And The Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, Loki, and Black Widow are all clearly teasing Young Avengers, even if we don't know it yet. But it's definitely getting pieces into motion. Presumably Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, etc. could all continue this.

    There's also the throughline in Black Widow, Falcon And The Winter Soldier, and Hawkeye when it comes to Valentina and whatever group she's setting up.

    Eternals and Moon Knight seem disconnected, but I'm willing to bet this ties into both the cosmic stuff and a new supernatural side of the MCU that Blade will continue. The Werewolf By Night special and Agatha are also presumably going to continue the supernatural, while Guardians could conceivably continue the cosmic, although I doubt it would connect directly to Eternals. Shang-Chi also clearly has something cosmic going on via his rings and whatever it's contacting.

    That's what I mean about disparate threads. There are clearly connections but it's not clear yet where it's going. We can't assume Kang is even the big bad of this phase either.

    We're at that exciting point where yes, comics fan could assume Thanos meant the Infinity Stones, but for the general viewing audience, it wasn't clear what Thanos was about except that he was clearly a being of importance since he was the stinger in Avengers. It wasn't until Phase 2 that we learned that all the MacGuffins were related, and that Thanos wanted them. Hell, it wasn't until Infinity War that we learned even what he wanted them for.

    All I'm saying is, patience.
     
  11. Greg

    The Forgotten Son Supporter

    I mean, none of that really changes what I said. It only shows that there is no clear goal for the audience. Saying there are 4 vague threads that potentially could lead to something that only apply to a few titles is not the same as what I am talking about as the tease from Ironman 1. From that point on there was a goal we knew they were definitely building to. Once that goal was achieved they then teased the over arching story. After all of Phase 4 this far and we don’t know that at all for it.
     
  12. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    I guess I don't see any big difference between now and then. When Iron Man came out, all it teased was that the Avengers were a possibility. Then Hulk confirmed that we were looking at a shared universe. Then one by one, the potential Avengers were introduced, and then Avengers introduced Thanos. An incremental design.

    So for this phase, and ignoring the smaller personal outcomes...

    WandaVision introduces the concept of Nexus beings and the first talk of alternate realities.
    Loki continues the thread from WandaVision and unlocks the Multiverse.
    What If continues the thread from WandaVision and Loki.
    No Way Home continues the thread from the above.
    Dr. Strange continues the thread from the above.

    Falcon And The Winter Soldier introduces the concept of a rival Avengers-style team.
    Black Widow continues the thread from Falcon.
    Hawkeye continues the thread from the above.

    Shang-Chi, Eternals, and Moon Knight all seem disconnected, but collectively are introducing concepts.
    Shang-Chi introduces the rings and that the Avengers have an interest in them.
    Eternals introduces the Celestials and other cosmic concepts.
    Moon Knight introduces supernatural elements.
    Eternals could potentially connect to both Shang-Chi and Moon Knight for different reasons.

    Meanwhile we have the characters of Wiccan, Speed, Young Loki, Miss America, Kate Bishop, Yelena, and potentially Patriot and a new Falcon all introduced and capable of helping form a Young Avengers team.

    I dunno, I guess I don't get what the big deal is. Half the fun is supposed to be trying to suss out where things are headed, but I just think to say they're not clearly building toward anything is incorrect.
     
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  13. awakeohsleeper

    I do not exist.

    Perhaps the issue is that they’re building to too many things and that is why some feel confused / that it lacks direction…
     
  14. oakhurst

    Trusted Supporter

    So who has had the best of each iteration of their films? Not including any films titled as Avengers obviously

    First film: Iron Man
    Second film: The Winter Soldier
    Third film: No Way Home
     
  15. Lepi182

    Trusted Supporter

    1st: Guardians
    2nd: The Winter Soldier
    3rd: Civil War
     
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  16. Anthony_

    A (Cancelled) Dork Prestigious

    First: Black Panther
    Second: Guardians
    Third: Thor
     
  17. Greg

    The Forgotten Son Supporter

    1st: Ironman
    2nd: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    3rd: Captain America: Civil War
     
  18. TEGCRocco

    Assume It's A Bit

    1st: Iron Man
    2nd: Winter Soldier
    3rd: Iron Man 3
     
  19. Aurora Fire

    Newbie

    1. Civil War
    2. Guardians Of The Galaxy
    3. No Way Home
     
  20. Penlab

    Prestigious Supporter

    Just a heads up, I think the game they're playing is that you're supposed to list...

    1. Who had the best debut film?
    2. Who had the best sequel?
    3. Who had the best threequel?
     
  21. Aurora Fire

    Newbie

    Ah, thanks. That’s what I get for reading it bleary eyed this morning. Easily fixed:

    1. Guardians Of The Galaxy
    2. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    3. Captain America: Civil War
     
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  22. 1. GotG
    2. GotG2
    3. Civil War
     
  23. Serh

    Prestigious Prestigious

    black panther and both steve rogers
     
  24. SpyKi

    You must fix your heart Supporter

    1. Guardians
    2. Dr Strange
    3. Thor
     
  25. justin.

    請叫我賴總統 Supporter

    1. Shang-Chi or Iron Man. really can't decide
    2. Guardians
    3. Cap