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Captain Marvel is a superhero that deserves a solo film, or at least solo until the last few minutes and then heroes show up and bring her into the infinity war fight. We haven't seen anything of her so I don't want her film to have her teaming up with someone already.

 

Dude, you're ridiculous. Demand for Black Widow is way bigger than demand for BW/Hawkeye. I'm sure that there are a lot of communities and websites filled with morons who think BW sharing a movie title/focus makes more sense, but there are a lot of morons out there, period. I spend a lot of time online in nerd culture, so try to tell me this site is the only place this happens. Kevin Feige, who'd know a lot better than whatever forums full of people as obnoxious as you, has been asked about and has discussed "Black Widow" a lot over the years and has never discussed "Black Widow & Hawkeye."

Sure, you can have Hawkeye and Bucky and Fury and others in prominent roles in her movie. That happens in Marvel films all the time. But, Black Widow doesn't need yet another freaking Marvel white dude sharing her title and metaphorically holding her freaking hand. My gosh.

 

Isn't her film coming out after IW though? I think Thor 3 and Antman/Wasp are the ones coming out before. If she's to be in the fight, she'll have to come into the fold in another movie.

 

So basically we just agree that we want different things out of the movie if it ever happens? Cool. I'd still rather see her with a tag along with Hawkeye.

 

Yeah. Her film is in 2019 while there are rumors that she'll appear in IW in 2018. I'm guessing her film will be an origin story that takes place before IW. I don't see how her film would fit in-between IW and the sequel in the timeline otherwise.

 

I'm not gonna just "agree to disagree" with your crap.

More women (and POC) title characters in Marvel films is super important, and Black Widow has decades of precedent for headlining stories, and there's demand that has caught Feige's attention, and their actress in the role can easily carry a film.

You don't get to just casually suggest that Hawkeye needs to share that titular spotlight instead of be a supporting player in her story (even though white male apologists love claiming that Nat being a supporting character in Winter Soldier is good enough for her), and then not get called out on it.

I don't care if you personally would prefer Black Widow and Hawkeye sharing the spotlight. Screw your white-dude-prioritizing preference.

 

Yeah, forget having preferences and personal taste, if your movie features a white guy in a country that is majority white then you are a terrible person!

 

I would love for people to be able to disagree on a movie without starting a race war, but maybe that's too much to ask here.

 

What the heck? I am 100% allowed to say I would like to see Hawkeye tag along with Black Widow. I don't have to hide what I would like to see in the movie just because Hawkeye is a white male. It's logical and would make sense continuity wise if Hawkeye shows up in a Black Widow film if it's a prequel. It also makes sense if he shows up in the film in it's in the future because the two characters are very similar and are friends. They are both super agents that both want to escape their past and are part of the original Avengers line-up. That is not a "white-dude-prioritizing preference".

 

Like, Vision & the Scarlet Witch would make more sense than Scarlet Witch solo (though that could still make decent sense and work, too). Cloak & Dagger is necessary. Ant-Man & the Wasp makes so much sense that I'm still annoyed that's not what the first film was.

Black Widow & Hawkeye just makes NO sense as a bigger creative priority than Black Widow solo even before you get to the representation problem.

And, representation DOES need to be in the equation, whether it feels like it to you personally or not.

You're not a terrible person for having preferences, but we all need to remember that there's more to life than preferences. Things don't become "agree to disagree" issues to forget about because they don't affect you personally. As adults, we need to look past those preferences into what's overall best for us all.

Keep in mind that I'm not saying Hawkeye should be in Black Widow, maybe even in a prominent role. But, he doesn't have to take the spotlight from Nat to do so. Stark and Black Panther were prominent in Civil War, but it was still CAPTAIN AMERICA: Civil War.

Oh, and that desire to talk about movies without considering race? That's privilege. Part of privilege is seeing yourself leading stories so much that you can't easily get why women, POC, etc. care so much.

 

I understand that you think it would be better for BW to not have Hawkeye in her solo film. I think it would makes sense, though. Given the history the characters have already stated in previous films and similarities between the two.

 

I want to see riri Williams as iron (wo)man. Maybe even cast the real riri

 

You ignored my entire post and just repeated the same ridiculous point I already addressed. I said that Hawkeye can be in the Black Widow movie in a big role, but it makes more sense based on the comics, the character, and the need for representation to still make it a "BLACK WIDOW" movie. How is that so hard for you to grasp?

Her character's title is Ironheart, FYI. lol. I'd love to see an Invincible Iron Man film where Rhodey becomes Iron Man (like happened for a little in the 80s), his niece Riri became Ironheart, and a more traditional but less racist Mandarin acted as the villain. Would be a cool way to move on from RDJ while taking elements from multiple eras and segments of the Iron Man franchise. Replacing RDJ will be near impossible, but making him the first major MCU death and making Iron Man one of the first major MCU legacy characters would be cool. Include the right characters in supporting roles (maybe Spider-Man?) could help it succeed in spite of the enormous hole RDJ would leave. I don't see that happening any time soon, sadly.

 

Yea I've been meaning to catch up on her story in the comics. I think it'd be a smart move for the movies, but there's still a couple years before we cross those roads.

 

I haven't kept up 'cause there's too much to follow, but I'm looking forward to catching up down the road. I love most stuff Bendis writes, even some stuff others don't like, and I've heard good things about her series. Everything I've seen of her makes her seem like a super cool character. Whether they kill Tony (or maybe just put him in a coma like he is in the comics now) or not, introducing her in the films would be awesome. She's one of the easiest current legacy characters in the comics to put on screen right now, too, plus the MCU really needs more WOC.

 

Yea, I applaud the comics for their recent efforts to diversify their universe. Though there is still room for a lot more improvement. We need more multicultural superheroes, and ones that kick ass. I want to see an Islamic superhero or South American superhero. Asia needs more representation, especially with how much we bite off of the martial arts culture.

 

Ms Marvel (Kamala Khan) is a Muslim written by a Muslim woman (which is very present in the series), and one of the main characters in Green Lanterns, Simon Baz, is a Muslim. Sunspot, former New Mutant who's the leader of the US Avengers title, is Brazilian. Totally Awesome Hulk is written by a Korean American and stars a Korean American, and the current storyline features multiple heroes of Asian descent.

I'm not disagreeing, btw, lol. I'm just sharing some good examples, if you're not aware of them.

The biggest places that the comics need improvement right now (in my privileged opinion) are trans representation and, most importantly, more writers who aren't white guys. I love what Jason Aaron, Bendis, and others have done, but white dudes can only do so much before it becomes awkward. Women, POC, etc. need represented at the decision-making stage, not only on the page. Plus, non-white-dudes writing white dude characters (like how Becky Cloonan writes Punisher) is good, too.

 

Oh yea thanks for listing those, because I was not aware of them. I definitely agree LBGTQ+ need more representation. It's a tough problem to solve and it's gonna take a lot of time before we see a balanced representation of race, sexuality and gender in media.

 

There we go, that's a nice response without telling someone how they can't feel, what they can't say and that white people are the problem.

I do understand and agree with most of your points, just not the way you go about saying it. All the "of course its a white male" or "we don't need another white male" I mark up the same as the people complaining about how the lack of white people in Luke Cage or saying Get Out is reverse racism. Why can't it just serve the story? Isn't the end goal to have most things like Fast and Furious and Rouge one that have diverse casts and don't make a big deal about it?

I get the playing field isn't level to get to that point yet, but its heading that way and I just think negative talk on both sides stall it. Look at all the anti white talk in America right now and what that's led to. Good people that aren't racist get tried of being told all the time that they are....

 

That'd be super cool if it happened, but isn't Don Cheadle just as old as RDJ? They both need replacements soon, which they should bring in Riri right after IW and get that ball moving.

 

Based on past interactions with that user, I really don't feel bad about how I came out of the gate. Some of the points here can be seen in earlier posts, and when I've tried to more patiently explain representation to him before results.

Also, keep in mind that racism/white supremacy is real, and reverse racism isn't. That's why a mostly black cast isn't comparable to a mostly white cast. Fully diverse casts that don't make a big deal of it are important, but casts that focus on oppressed communities and their experiences are also important.

I don't support anti-white talk (though I respect POC who use anti-white talk because of their unique experiences that I can't ever fully understand). I support anti-white-supremacy talk. I'm a white dude from a working class family in the Rust Belt. Class issues belong in the same dialogues as race, gender, etc. issues. Class issues have a lot to say to the state of America right now.

He is, but having a film where he's a mentor to Riri could still be a cool transitional stage. Just having Tony mentor her (with Rhodey still present) would admittedly make more sense, but I'm basing this on my opinion that Tony should be taken out in Infinity War (or I guess Avengers 4?). But yeah, 100% endorse getting her into the picture ASAP.

 

Inhumans series has it's Medusa

'Marvel's Inhumans' Casts Serinda Swan as Medusa

 

@Tim I'm not familiar at all with any version of Ms. Marvel, but I think it would work as a series from the reasons listed below, and if she does look up to Carl then it'd be cool to have Bre Larson show up for the first ep or so and guide her. If Captain Marvel is the hit every Marvel movie is, it could help draw more eyes to it.

Lexi Alexander on Why Marvel Should Be Making a Ms. Marvel Show

 

Kamala Khan Ms Marvel is a top 5 superhero for me, in spite of being a relatively new character. So, yeah, I support this 100%, lol.

Honestly, even though television would be a better place for her story, I'd rather see her on the big screen because of the message that'd send. Unfortunately, since she's an Inhuman, that's probably not an option. Also, because they've gone a decade without bringing in Carol, they kinda have to wait a couple more years before giving her a show.

I do think that it's a matter of "when," though, not "if." She's one of the most popular new comic characters created in the 21st century. The only thing that'd stop her from getting her own show is if they decide to introduce her on AoS instead, but I'm skeptical that it'll last long enough for that to happen, lol. There is an upcoming Secret Warriors series starring Daisy Johnson featuring Ms Marvel, so there's certainly precedent for the characters interacting.

 

I remember reading that Carol was almost in JJ but they replaced her with Trish due to the plans changing to give her a movie. That makes me think they can't be too far away from giving her a series, I hope.