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Jeremy Renner/the MCU's Hawkeye is... fine, for what he is. I really love Matt Fraction's Hawkeye though and Jeremy Renner/the MCU's Hawkeye is not exactly that.

Renner himself is cool though. Great in Hurt Locker, the Town, the Immigrant, Assassination of Jesse James, and the Mission Impossible movies. Just not who I would ideally pick for Clint Barton.

 

That is true, he was a weird choice but he's just such a likeable dude and great at delivering funny/sarcastic lines.

 

I don't want Stark to die 'cause we need a major character to die, which I think is a highly overrated sentiment. I just think his journey is at a place where death would make the most sense for the next step.

If these next couple Avengers films really are the culmination of everything thus far, a burial for the character who kicked this universe off would be a great moment before moving on to what's next. Also, it'd be good for Spider-Man's story for him to no longer have Tony in his life. Plus, then it'd leave room for more characters to be front and center. Tony has had a clearer character arc than a lot of characters; it'd be cool to see his end and others move forward more.

As for Vision, Civil War hinted that he exists outside of the Stone and is just powered by it. He could shut down when it's taken and then get the Stone back at the end. Or, he could get a new power source via Stark with less but still adequate power.

I forgot about Nick Fury, lol. Yeah, he can go. He's such a minor supporting role at this point that he doesn't need to die in this specific movie; in fact, I'd argue that it's better saved for something else, like a Captain America or Black Widow film. But, yeah, I'd support killing him and introducing his son, Nick Fury Jr.

I love Paul Rudd as Scott Lang, but I think he's one of the most expendable characters going into Phase 4. Ant Man is underrated but only has so many good stories as a lead character. That's doesn't mean I WANT him to die, but if we're picking expendable characters, he's towards the top, even if he is super likable.

No character is overpowered if you tell the right stories. Vision's abilities seemed like a lot within the context of Civil War, but he'll be fine alongside Thor, Hulk, and/or Captain Marvel.

People don't like the barn house? Really? I thought that was a clear highlight in a flawed action flick.

 

Any scenes with Linda Cardellini tend to be the best parts about projects with her, the barn scenes in Avengers included

 

To be fair, Hawkeye wasn't really an interesting character in the comics (for me personally, though I know he has a fan base) before Fraction came along, and the Renner iteration was well along by the time that happened. I don't think Renner could pull that version off, so I'm alright with the family man angle they went with instead.

Though, to make up for that, I eventually want Kate Bishop to come along and be done right.

 

I've heard a lot of flack for the Barn House scenes online, I think we are in the minority who liked them. I think to make the action mean anything, you need scenes like that to connect to characters.

 

I agree with what you said about Stark. However, I think we do need a major character to die because at the moment there are no stakes in the MCU. There's just these big villains that seem all powerful and then somehow they stop them with no consequences. And even in Civil War the letter at the end seemed to be more 'no hard feelings' than 'civil war'. I don't know how they can build up to Thanos for three 'phases' of cinematic films and then none of the major cast die. Happy if you disagree though - and as I said, I definitely agree that his journey is at a place where death would make sense.

 

vision will die for the stone, and to show how powerful thanos is. i could see cap "dying" and coming back uttering "avengers assemble" before the final battle.

stark should die because i don't like him
UGH this post just reminded me I will never see "to me, my x-men" on the big screen

 

Emotional and thematic stakes matter more than physical stakes. We all know Batman, Luke Skywalker, or Captain America will win. That's not why we turn to these stories. So in that sense, I don't care if anyone in the MCU ever dies, really. I do care about what a character death would mean to the emotional and thematic resonance of the MCU. In whatever way there might be a larger arc throughout these movies, Tony Stark dying wouldn't matter just because a very important character died, it would matter in the context of what happened, what he died doing, what he died for, how it impacts the survivors, what it speaks to on a thematic level, etc. I know some people thought War Eagle should have died after the airport battle, and thought that his rehab with walking technology was a cop-out, but I disagree. It matters way less than Cap's ending letter: the emotional fallout and emotional/thematic stakes are undone near completely. If War Machine had died and they'd still had that letter, it would have been even worse. If War Machine had died and they hadn't had the letter, it'd certainly be a darker, more heavy ending, but I don't think War Machine has been developed as a character with enough independent agency and weight where his death would land successfully/come off as anything other than token-ism.

 

I just like arguing against death advocates 'cause I also see places (like in the CW shows) where death is an overused plot point. There are other ways to create stakes, y'know? Like, I'm in the minority that thinks a death in Civil War would've made the film worse (that's maybe too big a hurdle for former friends to overcome?), but I also feel strongly about the letter at the end being easily the biggest misstep of the film. (Well, actually, Steve breaking everyone out at the end was the biggest misstep. But the letter wasn't great. Maybe a scene of Steve writing the letter would've been better, showing a desire to make things right but an inability to do so quite yet.)

The Thanos threat definitely makes sense to cost the life of at least SOMEONE. I don't need some big bloodbath to prove his power, but losing just one established character would be appropriate. Death shouldn't be abused but shouldn't be off the table, and this really is the best place to do it. And, Tony would be best for the reasons I stated and more.

See, the whole "dying" thing you describe here is what I want to avoid, lol. I have no problem with characters dying and coming back in the comics 'cause a well-written death still has emotional weight, even if you know it's not gonna last forever. But, getting into the routine of blatant fake-outs in the films probably wouldn't work out so well.

I don't want Steve Rogers to die because I think evolving his character makes more sense. Tony's story, to me personally, is ready to culminate in some heroic death, but I think Steve's story should lead to him entering a Nick Fury-esque leader role as "Commander Steve Rogers" while passing the Captain America mantle to someone else. (My top pick is still easily Sam Wilson, but if they decided to make Rhodey into Iron Man, I could tolerate Bucky in the role first.)

I don't think Vision really needs to die. I wouldn't be surprised if they did it, and it would make some sense, but he's one of my favorite characters right now, lol, so I think that'd be a major waste for this franchise. Plus, Thanos could get the Stone without having Vision be completely obliterated. At most, I'd be down with Thanos getting the Stone and leaving Vision's "dead" body at the end of Infinity War (leading to a sick Scarlet Witch freak-out), and then Stark or T'Challa rebuilding him in Avengers 4, but not functioning at 100%.

 

I agree, but I don't think what I posted is too far fetched. they're the "obvious" deaths looking at the MCU as a whole so far. I don't want Vision to die. in fact i need a vision x scarlet witch buddy cop romcom film or i will die, but I think he will for the reasons I said. it just makes sense in that universe.

 

Who is War Eagle?

I don't want Cap to die too, but only because his solo movies are the best. Keep em coming.

 

Oh, yeah, not far fetched at all. But also not necessarily certain, and not what I want, lol.

There might not be a single new franchise I want launched in the MCU more at this point than Vision and the Scarlet Witch. A romance between them as steamy as the MCU will allow would be the absolute best. Comics' best couple, for real.

 

War Machine, my mistake

 

But, like, War Eagle would be a great name. #realtalk

 

I googled Marvel War Eagle and some cool images came up.



Says he's a character from Earth-93060

 

war eagle sounds like the name of trumps luftwaffe

 

Captain Marvel screenwriter, Nicole Perlman, spoke about the difference between writing Iron Man and Captain Marvel and that she doesn't want to focus the film on the social aspect of the first female superhero standalone.

She also spoke about Captain Marvel being connected to what's happening with the larger story of the MCU.

 

Lol if they introduce Nick Fury Jr. in the MCU he should be the white cigar smoking one.

 

David Hasselhoff?

 

Oh my god they should absolutely retcon that movie into MCU canon.

 

'Game of Thrones' Grad Iwan Rheon to Star in Marvel's ABC Drama 'Inhumans'

 

That's interesting.

Honestly I can see it.

 

What is everyone's top 5 MCU superheroes so far?

1. Captain America
2. Iron Man
3. Star-Lord
4. Vision
5. Black Panther