Marvel Cinematic Universe Movie • Page 146

Shang-Chi has the real Mandarin, not another version of the Mandarin

 

Yeah, yeah, I realize that's what they've said, but could they not easily just say it's one from a parallel universe? Once again, I don't think that will be the case, I'm just having a bit of fun theorizing.

 

We don’t need everything to be multiple universes, lol. This is like when people come up with dumb convoluted explanations for introducing the X-Men. Just let it be the same actor playing a different version of the same villain, & leave it at that.

 

I expect the X-Men to just show up and everyone acts like they’ve been there all along.

 

Which is the right answer.

But, online MCU stans are always like, “Maybe the Infinity Gauntlet’s snap created them! Maybe the Multiverse of Madness or Wanda will bring them in! Maybe...!” Even though Stan Lee’s entire starting premise for the X-Men was, “I’m tired of coming up with origins, so, uh, these heroes were born that way!” lol.

 

I’d be down with them already having existed. I just want them done right

 

The simplest solution for mutants is 100% "They've been around forever, just not working in the public eye like the Avengers do"

 

this really isn’t believable at all though, which is why people are bending over backwards to figure out how they’ll be integrated in a way that makes sense

 

How does it not make sense? Isn’t that what the approach has always been with mutants (even in the standalone Fox movies), & also Eternals, & Inhumans? And, technically Wakanda, & the Sorcerer Supreme. They exist, but they’re not an official public entity, until one day they are because reasons. Heck, they occasionally then go back into hiding.

All you need to do is pick a point of view character to bring you into the world. My vote is Jubilee, but Cyclops or Kitty Pryde or whoever else can also work. Follow that character into Xavier’s home for mutants. Boom. No more explanations needed, ever.

 

All I want is a team with a somewhat equal balance of focus on Cyclops/Wolverine and also Storm

 

I wouldn’t mind Wolverine not being part of the first team.

 

Unless they're gonna throw in flashbacks/set it in the past and show the start of the X-Men, I don't think Cyclops is a good pick (and anyone who's heard me talk about comics knows it's not cause I don't like him lol). He NEEDS to be Xavier's first recruit, and having someone who's been around from the start as the POV character would be kind of weird. Kitty or Jubilee make the most sense to me in that role.

 

Never put that much thought into the “first recruit” part, but I respect your understanding as the much bigger Cyclops fan, lol. Mainly just think he’s a point of view that’d be compelling to follow across multiple X-Men films.

But, yeah, my personal choice would be Jubilee. Could also roll with Kitty, especially if they remember that she’s Jewish & bi, but Jubilee will always be my favorite of that X-Men young newcomer trope.

 

I just want more FitzSimmons.

 

Idk if I feel like it would be odd for anyone with superhero powers to remain in hiding during the 5 years after the snap.

 

Not really deep in the comics but I gather that mutants are usually in hiding anyway due to fear and prejudices and not understanding what’s going on. And then on top of that you have a world that probably has some sort of resentment toward super powered people for failing to stop the snap. Therefore most mutants would likely be too afraid to come out. I think it could work.

 

Not just for the five years after the snap but for all of human history on that Earth since ancient Egypt.

 

I agree, but remaining in hiding with powers that could help people after half of the population disappeared doesn’t seem like something the X-men would do.

 

It’s not like they’re showing every single corner of the world at every single moment in time, lol. Wasn’t hard, for example, showing that there were wizards we didn’t know about at the Battle of New York. Factor in mutants being all hated & feared & whatnot... and, yeah, as far as superhero logic goes, you’re fine. No deeper explanation needed.

And, we’re not even saying that there’s a 100% formalized organization called “the X-Men” or whatever, sitting around doing nothing. Just, that mutants exist. And some mutants probably live with other mutants here & there. It’s the simplest thing. Intentionally so.

 

As long as they don’t go the Star Wars route and just have someone say “Some how, mutants have been here this whole time” I think we’ll be alright

 

This isn’t really the issue so much as it strains credulity even for a comic book movie that mutants would be an unknown thing for all of human history up to the present day when mutant abilities manifest in people all over the globe and there’s no way to hide every person that has ever had them.

right this would be absurd lol

 

Mutants could have always existed (I still hope they retcon Pietro and Wanda by saying that they survived the experiments due to them being mutants) but never bonded together in a legitimate way until Professor X decides to make a team in response to the events of Endgame and the fact that a proper Avengers team essentially doesn’t exist at this point in time.

 

I just think him being the "original" informs so much of his arc and makes his disillusionment with Xavier that much more impactful. But yeah, he would be my first pick for "main character" (no surprise), and making him the POV would work pretty easily by either making it a proper origin movie that shows the X-Men forming or just having flashbacks to that time. But if they're going with a straight-ahead "X-Men have existed for years, here's where they're at in 202X", he'd be kind of a weird choice IMO

 

This kinda thing is where a lot of my MCU disenfranchisement has come from in the past couple years, lol. Why’s it have to be in response to Endgame & not, y’know, the events of the first X-Men film in the rebooted series?

Just have Xavier’s be a relatively low key home for mutants who need a home. Maybe even make Callisto & the Morlocks the antagonists of the film to really emphasize the state of mutants in society right now.

Also, I’m not even saying that nobody knows mutants exist at this point in the MCU. I mean, how much queer representation has there been so far? lol. Just because it hasn’t been onscreen yet doesn’t mean it’s been nonexistent in this fictional universe ‘til now.

 

Because I believe that Endgame is going to be used as the biggest transition that we’ll see in the MCU. Feige said that the MCU will could be known as “pre-Endgame” and “post-Endgame” going forward, so it makes sense that they’ll use the sudden recovery of half of all life on Earth and the death of Stark, Nat, and Cap (it’s at least public opinion that he is dead) to force a lot of change on Earth.

They can play the “it’s all a coincidence” card that the Eternals are emerging (they’re bound to play a large role in current events if sequels are made) and that Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Blade, Fantastic Four, Shang-Chi, and the X-Men are all up and ready to go after such a crucial event for the franchise, but it will be so much fun for them to connect the dots that I’m sure they won’t miss the opportunity to have Endgame leave a lasting mark with the new generation.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if Kang is a response to the Avengers messing with time in Endgame.

Does it work to not have a large event like Endgame be the domino effect for the next several years of the MCU? Yes, but it’s also debatable that using Endgame as a domino effect will continue to keep the MCU as constructed as possible for audiences.