Madame Web (SJ Clarkson; February 16, 2024) Movie • Page 26

And seriously check my Letterboxd I generally like most movies, and ESPECIALLY movies I see on the big screen. I very often will feel Great about a movie leaving the theater and then think more about it and hear other opinions and then I’m able to see faults more clearly

this was just shitty

 

I’ll remind you one more time that I sincerely recommended that you not see this, lol.

Just like I knew better than to sit through Flash or Quantumania, movies that I could tell would be bad in ways I would not enjoy. (Though that one baby scene people shared from Flash was good.)

 

Movies can intentionally be campy, right? Like, that's not really something that can be argued. It's like a genre or whatever

 

Sure but I do not believe that was the intention here

 

Yeah. Sorry, I'm just nitpicking this particular post.

Camp as a thing definitely exists, whereas whether something is camp can definitely be argued

 

It’s a big budget film from a tentpole studio with comic book IP, total incompetence is more likely IMO

 

There’s definitely both intentional and unintentional camp, and decades of discussion on if one is better than the other. I personally tend not to care that much about intent when it comes to my enjoyment, though it can sometimes color my experience a bit, for good or ill.

 

You guys thought you were getting a movie, when what you really got was a deep dive exploration into Tim's psyche.

 

Off topic here but there was also that whole controversy at the Met Gala a few years ago about what constituted as camp (in the drag sense) and whether that should've been the theme in the first place

 

And yeah, in this case a lot of Johnson’s deadpan humor is clearly intentionally aiming for laughs, but the evidence to me points to those involved aiming for a good movie and (for whatever web of reasons) falling short of intent.

 

The best thing from that was that one person who made that “looking camp in the eye” post before showing up in the most standard gala look imaginable, perhaps accidentally going full circle back into a form of camp.

 

Um, actually towards the end of November, 2003 in New York, the temperature regularly stayed around the mid 50s-60s, which would be totally appropriate weather for the kind of wardrobe they're wearing. Plus it's totally possible Toxic was requested on radio before it became a single because of how well In the Zone did. People put a lot of effort into these movies please do some research before spreading claims like this

 

Oddly hostile over posting a Threads post.
Also, I reject that this movie took place between November 15th and December 31st 2003.

 

You can't possibly think that was a serious response

I thought this part made it too obvious

 

John Waters movies are intentionally campy

Stuff like Neon Demon maybe it's intentional

 

I almost responded with, “is this a bit?” But I clearly chose the wrong response.

 

I think one disadvantage intentionally so-bad-it’s-good movies have is that they easily fall into the trap of winking at the audience too much. Like, when I see a clip from a post-Room Wiseau film, it always feels a bit Deadpool-esque in the way it’s going, “gee, isn’t this quirky and ridiculous???”

But, something like Shyamalan’s The Happening shows that you can intentionally lean into b-movie vibes with enough sincerity to get the movie over. (So funny to me that some people still argue that wasn’t intentionally an homage to b-movies, and that he only said so to defend a swing-and-a-miss. Like, come on, have some media literacy, lol.)

 

"Today, camp falls into two distinct categories: intentional camp and unintentional camp. Intentional camp, as the name suggests, constitutes the deliberate use of camp for humour. Unintentional camp arises from naïveté or poor quality or tastes. Unintentional camp can thus be considered "true" or "pure" camp. A hipster may appreciate something for its camp value, while a person with unrefined tastes may perceive the same thing to be inherently sophisticated."

Camp (a whole wiki like thing from fandom dot com)

This is certainly interesting, but I apparently don't know enough about the history of camp because I would not have thought unintentional was "true" camp.

 

It’s not camp it’s just plain good

 

Bro the movie is trash

 

bro shuddup

 

I don’t spend much time in the entertainment forum but I actually think this is the first time I’ve ever agreed with Tim