Justice League (Zack Snyder, November 17, 2017) Movie • Page 65

I just watched this a few weeks ago and enjoyed it

 

Snyder is a hack so it would more than likely be worse somehow

 

it would at the absolute least be more of its own thing. snyder and whedon are as far apart as you get when it comes to this shit

 

They both stink, for very different reasons.

 

Snyder’s films look good but the stories are usually a mess. Whedon did well with the first Avengers and that’s all I know from him.

 

Yeah I'm unfamiliar with Whedon's other films, but I know his short run in the Runaways comic was pretty underwhelming and ultimately pointless because he called it quits early and they just kind of hit "edit > undo" on it lol

 

His run on Astonishing X-Men was fantastic

 

Snyder has a knack for striking imagery and his movies always felt more cinematic than the Marvel movies of that time, but he needed sharper and more guided scripts. He also needed his worst tendencies dialed back, which for better and worse doesn't usually happen with auteur filmmakers.

 

I used to love Whedon, between Buffy (which I never finished), Firefly, & Avengers. Still appreciate aspects of his quippy writing, but when the “he’s great w/ women” illusion was broken for me, I started souring on him.

Snyder is... idk. He’s a bad storyteller. He’s a bad acting director. Don’t like his worldview. His eye for visuals is something almost commendable, but his aesthetic tastes are a bit too drab. He’s kinda like Michael Bay in that he does have a clear, distinct creative voice, & he does have strengths that other blockbuster directors could learn from, but there are too many cracks on too many levels for me to think just, like, the right script or whatever would lead to him making a genuinely good film.

 

BvS Ultimate aint that bad. Doesn't make it a good film, but makes what the theatrical version was trying to do more digestible.

 

I genuinely enjoyed MoS, BvS, and JL (to a lesser degree) the last time I watched them, which I know is wild, so I'm admittedly a lot less harsh on him.

 

I will say Snyder’s best film is the dawn of the dead remake.

 

Man of Steel is probably his one DC film that I think could actually have ended up as a good film, if it’d had a better script & better editing. (And, if it’d been, y’know, just a hair less desaturated, lol.)

Watchmen is just fundamentally broken. And, his take on the extended DC universe in BvS & JL just never would’ve been for me. But, Man of Steel has some things going for it. It’s probably possible to turn it into something very watchable.

 

Man of Steel is in a similar place to me as Dark Phoenix in that both are really just a few steps away from being an actually good movie. It is probably my favorite Snyder movie, but I think that says more about the rest of his filmography than anything else tbh

 

At least everyone can hopefully look back fondly on some of Zimmer's work.

 

You just reminded me that both Dark Phoenix and Man of Steel were scored by Hans Zimmer so my comparison is perfect and I'm taking no criticism

 

Yeah it has its flaws but I really did enjoy MoS when I saw it in theaters, it was a blast on the big screen. It deserved a proper sequel. Hated Jonathan Kent in it though.

 

Dark Phoenix > every Snyder movie, tbh, at least for me.

But yeah, pretty solid comparison, lol.

 

Snyder made the Dawn of The Dead remake and Legend of The Guardians so I don't think I could hate the guy, but he's 100% style over substance and his style has gotten a bit stale over the years.

 

Tim is killing it in this thread right now. Kudos, sir.

 

Snyder is a great trailer director. He has a good knack for composing shots, but he's not good at weaving those shots into a full film. I've always thought BvS felt like a school project film. Where someone watched a bunch of well directed/cinematographed films and went completely overboard trying to copy them without understanding the use of those kind of shots. Watchmen pisses me off a lot too, it was like he thought "if I do a shot for shot film of the comic people will LOVE IT!!!" without understanding the differences between the mediums. Then he fucking changed the ending anyway for some reason.

Yeah I loved Whedon when I was younger. Still love Buffy, loved Dollhouse, Firefly etc. But yeah once you start noticing the flaws in how he actually writes women, and to be honest people in general you start to realise he doesn't write actual people, just caricatures. He's a far better director than Snyder though, despite not being a very good one.

 

If the Snyder Cut releases it’ll be interesting if only for the fact that when does something like that ever happen?

 

To be fair to Snyder, he wasn't the only one. In between the release of Sin City and its sequel there was a trend for shot-for-shot remakes of comics (for example Scott Pilgrim, which did it much better by pairing it with a director who understood the source material). I agree that he's style over substance; arguably his failure with his DCEU films is more a case of him hitting his limits as a filmmaker.

 

Yeah and shot for shot can be good if you understand the nuances of the comic book. Snyder didn't. He tried to do a story as dense as Watchmen simply by copying it without understanding the themes and their reasoning. In the end it made the film soulless and directionless. The sex scene in Archie is a huge one to me. It's pretty much spot on with the comic, but just feels like a gratuitous sex scene with terrible music choice in the film because it missed the reason that scene existed in the comics.

I just think he's a bad director, that has no idea how to direct his actors into acting like human beings to be honest. With regards to BvS, it's a really badly written film and Snyder did nothing to elevate that film over it's script. He doesn't have the talent to elevate a film above it's screenplay

The best thing with Snyder's name to it in my opinion is the Man of Steel first teaser trailer. It's just a shame the actual film completely bundles it and doesn't carry over the theme of that teaser.