Justice League (Zack Snyder, November 17, 2017) Movie • Page 26

I think the poster is awful and am kind of shocked by the praise here to be honest

 

Hooray!

 

But it looks like an Alex Ross painting and that rocks.

 

The text and the tagline are bad and I don’t think the Alex Ross style really translates to a realistic photo but I’m glad people dig it

 

The text on the poster is terrible.

Trailer looks solid.

 

There will be other promo posters

 

Steppenwolf sounds great. Really love what I'm seeing. Cyborg and Flash left the biggest and best impression on me. Those two are going to rule in this.

I'm glad Affleck said what he said but he's there to promote Justice League. I would love noting more than to have him stay Batman for a trilogy of solo movies -- but he's not going to spill the beans promoting a movie. It derails the entire point of him and the cast being there...

 

Looking good. Smart to show lots of WW.

 

Nailed it

 

I'd rather them just pretend they made better movies and move forward than keep doubling down on the past bad decisions to be honest.

 

Agreed.

 

Hopefully that's exactly what they do with Flashpoint.

 

The problem with that movie is that it's way too soon to really do that. At least that's how I feel. Like, I would love nothing more for them to put the Snyder stuff firmly in the past, but JL is Snyder and it's looking to be his best offering. So how do we take this and somehow still forget the first few?

 

I don't want Flashpoint to touch existing continuity at all (and highly doubt that it would). When he sets the timeline back at the end, it can just be genuinely 100% back to normal. The original comic Flashpoint wasn't always meant to lead to the New 52 anyways, and the current comics seem to say that Doctor Manhattan had more to do with that than Barry did. A Flashpoint film opening and closing with the same continuity, where the alternate timeline is temporary and the repercussions/growth at the end are purely emotional would be WAY better than some X-Men: DOFP-style retcon shenanigans (though I did really like the end of DOFP for that franchise).

Justice League is already resurrecting Superman, which is a good excuse to pseudo-reboot him tonally (which the latest look at the film strongly implies is happening). No other major character needs revamped. Prior films being bad isn't reason enough to erase them (the MCU is doing just fine with IM2 in its past, and Wonder Woman did just fine without ignoring BvS).

 

If you aren't going to use Flashpoint to change continuity or past events, why start there? It's a weird place to start with Flash.

 

Because it's a potentially compelling story from an emotional and thematic level, while also letting you do some wild action with Thomas Wayne Batman and the Atlantean/Amazonian war along the way. Using Flashpoint for that is way better than using it for some massive "the world will never be the same!" continuity shift.

 

Depending when it actually comes out, will any general audience viewer know or care about that stuff? Will those things work so soon? will anyone but comic fans care?

Obviously the quality of the movie will help determine that and we just can't say anything about that at this point beyond Miller looking good in what so little we have seen of him.

DC takes chances, you gotta give them that, but so few of them have been done well so far.

 

Perhaps they can two-tone him

 

I have those books somewhere.

 

I mean, I don't personally think Flashpoint needs that much set-up. I get why it'd seem like a lot at a glance, but after Justice League, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Batman v Superman, and The Batman, people will have a decent grasp on this world. Something like Batman's dead dad becoming Batman after Bruce dies, or Diana and Arthur being at war in this timeline, I think is pretty easy to understand and appreciate. And, time travel butterfly effect stuff is easy to get, too.

At the core, Flashpoint is a story about Barry wanting to change things and having to learn to accept the past. That's a decent emotional anchor to carry a film pretty easily.

Open with a quick little classic Flash mission, then spend a little time establishing who Barry is and his past. (This will be done somewhat in Justice League, but obviously this film would need to touch on it for the sake of the character arc.) Have something push him over the edge to go back in time and save his mom. Tell the whole Flashpoint story. End with Flash running around, with some corny line about moving forward. Boom. Compelling storytelling.

 

Sounds fine in theory, but DC has had one great film. You can't trust them to not throw in 2 other random Flash comic storylines just because they can. They rushed to the death of Superman and it falls completely flat.

Bottom line, WB has not earned my trust yet. MoS was a mess and did not get the character at all. BVS was a mess in bigger ways but had some fun stuff. SS was unbelievably stupid and poorly put together, but at least it knew it was stupid. WW was fantastic, enough said. JL looks good, but they need to stop with this poorly executed "Superman was the best hero ever" nonsense. They blew it bad but keep trying to make it true and it rings all the more hollow the harder they try.

They just don't have the track record to make me think they aren't rushing into a story like Flashpoint.

 

Here's a gif of Aquaman taking out a Parademon:

 

Has a run time been announced yet?

 

My honest complaint with it is the green screen stuff looked really obvious at points. That and the Superman bit at the end was totally obvious. Not bad overall though, now give my Green Latern movie, DC.

 

Flashpoint is an emotional story for Barry in my opinion, more so than a reset. Barry sees the consequences of his mother being alive, and the pain it caused to the world. When he gets back, he has the weight of what he saw and that reality. Also, it would be awesome is Jeffrey Dean Morgan leaves a note for Bruce.