Discussion in 'Entertainment Forum' started by iCarly Rae Jepsen, Apr 2, 2019.
I really do wish that we got more of the Joker shown in the last 15 minutes. I understood that this was an origin story, but like Tim said, I would rather have a film that replaced the wanna be art stuff with actual anarchic Joker moments. As a Joker fan this is a legit disappointment because it’s more of an Arthur story than a Joker story.
I was thinking of and looking up songs from that time that could have been used in the stairs scene that wouldn't give a pedo royalties
obviously Tears Of A Clown by The English Beat
but also Funkytown and Bette Davis Eyes, I know Funkytown would be absurd but this movie needed some absurdity
I’m sure YouTube/twitter will be flooded with edits of that scene with a million different songs as soon as it’s on digital.
Should have gone with the Twitter meme and used "Laffy Taffy."
To keep with the sports pump up music, they could have gone with this:
Bad Guy both seems too on the nose and perfect
It was used quite on-the-nose for the credits of "Brightburn." I'd be all for this too.
That song is played at literally every sporting event in the country, whatever money he may get from this is a drop in the bucket lol
Will a convicted pedophile make a fortune from a 'Joker' song?
One of the only times that a person not owning their own work is good actually, lol.
really good lol
Saw this last night and can’t think of the last time I saw a movie so undeserving of all the discourse it’s receiving, positive or negative.
It’s...okay. Not great. Totally incoherent in terms of themes or subtext, but Phoenix is excellent and and the cinematography and score are very well done.
Can we put a ban on scenes of Thomas and Martha Wayne getting killed? I’m so sick of seeing that scene like once every other year.
Just saw this out of boredom. I left equally bored lol.
fine i did it and a bonus one
there's a bunch more on Youtube and Twitter
So this was bad
A Facebook friend reposted this and I almost hurt myself from rolling my eyes
I haven’t seen the film yet, but I saw this posted elsewhere, by someone I’m pretty sure is a psychologist (I didn’t look at his profile thoroughly), but what he said really resonated with me. I couldn’t share it so I’m posting it myself:
“So, I am not one to frequent the movie theater, or watch TV in general. I saw Joker on opening night, and went back and saw it a second time the following night. It was one of the most profound and powerful films about mental illness I can recall seeing. The way it depicted childhood trauma leading to mental illness, psychosis and psychopathy in adulthood was disturbing and visceral. More disturbing though, were the statements it made about how we treat and view mental illness as a culture. I think generally, most of society would like to believe that monsters are born- their pathology predetermined. It makes it easier to look away, to avoid feeling responsible, to act like the mess is someone else’s problem to address. At least until that monster shoots up a school or a concert, and then we feel entitled to be outraged? The truth is, many monsters are made, shaped by years of trauma, neglect, and lack of access to both mental health care and empathy. And still, despite years of suffering failed attempts, they still long for human connection, until one day they finally snap. The system, and society, didn’t just fail Arthur; it failed his mom. “Joker” was 40 years in the making, and what we witness in this film is the result of prolonged, unresolved generational trauma.
Even among my colleagues, I have sadly heard disheartening descriptions of how Joker’s incessant (and INVOLUNTARY) laughter throughout the film was “annoying” or “bothersome” while being fully aware that it is as a result of traumatic brain injuries suffered during childhood abuse (see Pseudobulbar Affect). The laughter I heard in the audience during several very emotionally painful scenes, further speaks to the pervasive ignorance that still hangs over our culture regarding mental illness. During a particular scene after a violent act is captured on live TV, the camera pans back to show a cluster of TV screens covering the footage, interspersed with commercials for Rolling Rock, and Energizer, and Corn Flakes. This is the atmosphere we live in- a 24 hour news cycle where a disturbing mental illness-related tragedy can’t stay in a spotlight for 5 seconds because it has become the norm. Anyone who left the theater feeling like they just watched a disappointing comic book movie completely missed the mark. We should do better. We can do better. ✌ #mentalhealthawareness”
Yep I’ve seen that floating around too
What is so incorrect about all that, exactly? Besides the glowing praise
I mean the glowing praise is the whole thing? Lol
Also can’t speak for anyone else but for me I can’t help but roll my eyes to see something like this framed as ~a natural progression~ essentially to be expected, as in “what we witnessed in this film was the result of unresolved generational trauma” it’s honestly insulting. Women have been traumatized in childhood and have unresolved mental illness all the fucking time but going on a killing rampage through society strangely enough isn’t seen as the inevitable outcome of our trauma.
I’m not tired of a conversation about mental illness, I’m tired of toxic masculinity mental illness being the only one that anyone legitimizes and talks about. It makes it seem like acts of violence are the only manifestation of mental illness that matters.
I hate the whole "see this is what happens when you treat people badly, you create the school shooters!" Idk it just feels like they're trying to shift the blame away from the mass murderer