Jimmy Eat World Band • Page 160

Yeah, I get that. I just don't think the majority of the people who are voting for those albums on that site are fans. There's going to be a ton of votes on there from people who listened to most of those albums, maybe all of them, once and either rated the early albums higher because they're not as poppy/mainstream sounding or because they used to like them and then stopped listening to the band.

 

Maybe that's what happened at all these other JEW communities who praise Static Prevails?

Hmmm... "JEW communities"... Not the best phrasing. But let's go with it.

 

to be clear. im not making a judgement on your opinions or anyone's here. im simply pointing out the "risk" of one minority opinion (in my experience as a fan of the band) being so heavily represented without contradiction, that could have suggestive power over other people and skew their prejudgement of the album before listening to it and making up their own mind. also its an album that takes the most patience to get into and fully appreciate than their others, so it would be good to not dissuade people from taking their time to soak it in.

 

This could be said for RYM too though. Like people going on that site might avoid CTL because it's so much lower than Clarity or BA and I think that would be a very bad thing. tbf people should probably just not let others affect their opinion.

 

Which is it, hive mind or my own minority opinion?

 

thats true, and its good for that point to be brought up

 

ive said many times i dont like the word hive mind but dont know what else to say

 

Acoustic dizzy is superior, album version is also fucking amazing tho. Acoustic just has a more raw, organic feel but the album version has the orchestral flourishes that drive the emotion home. Two great takes on the same song.

 

"hive mind" in reference to this small (relative) community, compared to what I feel is a minority opinion at large.

OK people can point flaws in RYM, fine, but can we agree that the community on this site as a whole tends to regard SP less highly than other communities?

my problem isnt with people saying "i dont like SP". my problem is when people say (and ive seen many here say it) "outside of static prevails" or "of the post-SP albums" when ranking their albums... it gives the impression that it is obvious and assumed knowledge that SP sucks. which i think is very misleading and is very different than just saying "i dont like SP". youre entitled to your opinion but its the complete dismissal of SP that I find odd on this community. onlookers would get the impression that SP is obviously bad by reading this thread, and i dont think thats a good impression to get because it only tells one side of an argument that is actually much more balanced than this thread would seem to indicate. i wanted to give a voice to the other side of the argument. and i think ive done that.

theres a difference between not liking something and disregarding something as being bad in a way that assumes everyone is in agreement. i dont think its good to discourage people to give static a fair chance as it is dear to a lot of peoples hearts. my life would be much less enriched if static never existed.

 

yeah i love the acoustic version i think it suits the style and lyrics of the song really well. it makes sense since the song was originally written and recorded to be an acoustic song. it was only changed at the last minute to be a rock song.

 

It isn't that it's assumed SP sucks, it's that it doesn't sound as fully formed or realized as any other album that followed, as I said the quality difference is huge, which doesn't make it bad by any means since the following albums are all phenomenal, but it does mean that people will hesitate to include it in conversation because every time it'll be at the same place, at the bottom. Again, this doesn't mean it sucks, it just means that they grew into something much better.

 

the quality difference isnt huge

it does sound as fully formed as the others

everytime it wont be at the bottom

ive been in loads of JEW communities and its very rare that I see SP ranked lower than CTL, Invented or Damage. im sorry but youre still talking as though its assumed knowledge that SP is lower in quality than the others but it just isnt assumed knowledge and it isnt consensus, it just happens to be your opinion and the opinion of a lot of people in this comparatively small community.

you say the quality gap is large as though its obvious and anyone would agree. thats just not true.

 

It's hard to capture the same emotion from the acoustic version compared to the full band version. I'm a sucker for acoustic, and do not pick full band versions most of the time. But it's just too perfect.

 

hmmm. i think 90% of people at concerts just havent heard SP and 50% have only heard bleed american.

 

Obviously it's just my opinion that the quality difference is big. You and others don't have to agree.

 

I think you might be overthinking things a bit here. Someone might listen to Chase This Light and someone might not listen to Static Prevails and I'd imagine the planet will keep spinning either way

 

I haven't seen anyone on here say that SP is objectively bad, or disregard it entirely as you seem to suggest. All the conversations about ranking albums, songs, etc. have focused on SP and onward. I've mostly seen people saying they like SP, just not as much as the other albums, and lamenting the fact that they don't go back to it that often, or haven't listened to it very much at all.

 

I want to say that they gave the alternate, full-band version of You Were Good away on their website for a while a little after Damage had been released, but I may be remembering that wrong...

It's still HERE to listen to, but I don't think you can download unless you are in the UK.

 

Past two pages

 

I love seeing threads derail. #itgetsbetter haha

 

yeah at first I was on board with this SP discussion but now minty is just being condescending and basically telling us that our opinions arent right.

 

SP has some good moments on it but doesn't match up to the quality or standard of the rest of the albums. Everyone has different tastes and opinions about the discography but a good number agree that SP pales in comparison to Clarity and so on. This is a great band with great music, this is an incredibly pointless thing to argue about.


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Salty901

 

I really don't mind this. I'm not sure it'd have the same impact as an album closer, but frankly I almost prefer the bounciness of this version.

 

That's fine. But if I don't like CTL I say "I don't like it" not "it's low quality". The first is a more subjective statement and the second implies some objectivity. I know no music opinion is objective so, again, that isn't the right word. It's not one specific comment anyone has made it's just the general vibe that I've gathered from reading loads of different posts.

Fair enough, I got the impression but maybe I exaggerated it.

Never said your opinions aren't right I just got the impression that some people were making assumptions based on this bubble of a community and I wanted to offer the other side of the argument so that on-lookers don't get a one-sided impression.