It's a masterpiece until it gets past bop and cool jazz, I feel like. I have no use for free and avant generally either, but, c'mon, guys. You're supposed to be giving the overview. I think its most artful thing is drawing the threads of certain major artists through multiple episodes. So you know what Ellington was doing while Bird was changing the face of American music, rather than just moving on.
Like can you imagine a young player desperate to get better spending all of his practice time in the woodshed? And never with a combo or group at all? Not playing in front of any audience except at competitions? I cannot I'm 4 years late to this but it made me kind of mad Great movie though
All my jazz friends hated Whiplash Its a sick movie if you think of the drumming as just an artistic metaphor for that relationship of pushing a general artist or even athlete or something. but to anyone who's actually like trained or been taught jazz they get so much wrong.
The idea of a drummer trying to play 300bpm for hours on end until he bleeds is absurd but its fun to watch
I mean, if you don’t like a movie because it doesn’t portray something accurately to real life then I would say you might possibly not “get” what movies exactly are lol Like in Whiplash he literally gets hit by a semi truck but is conscious well enough and for long enough to do all that he did afterwards lol
that's a total cop out, movies don't have to be hyperrealistic but to expect a movie about a music student to, you know, correlate at all with anything that actual music students do isnt unreasonable. the semi truck is also ridiculous obviously and also unnecessary because they couldve just had him get hit by the truck and miss the performance and had the exact same effect
again i really enjoyed the movie overall even though the bass player holds the instrument totally wrong
Lol it’s literally not a cop out. The movie showing him always playing with people would have weakened the point of how isolated and narcissistic he is. It’s a movie about his character, not a movie *about* jazz. Jazz is just the vehicle they used to get there How many professions are genuinely, accurately portrayed in movies? Every cop or legal movie ever is fucking insane, but who cares lol
Actually I take it back about cops. There’s plenty of research showing that cop and military shows do genuinely impact people’s real beliefs about real cops and criminal/foreign policy and whatever else But that’s, like, something that actually matters lol
yeah its definitely not about jazz, that is my point, but 99% of people who saw it don't seem to understand that lol. which is why it is very annoying. do you know how many times i heard "yeah its directed by a guy who went to music school. jazz school must be crazy." also like, i care lol, it lessened my enjoyment of it to a certain extent. it literally makes no sense at all for a drummer to be practicing alone in his room playing as fast he can for hours on end until he bleeds. its nonsense and no one in the world has ever done it. when movies make no sense that is usually considered a negative but maybe thats just me
Listened to the The Koln concert on a plane ride back from Iceland and it was maybe the best musical experience I’ve ever had. So inspiring Also inspiring is the behemoth of a record Sons of Kemet put out this year