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I Love You, Daddy (Louis C.K., November 17th, 2017) Movie • Page 3

Discussion in 'Entertainment Forum' started by airik625, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. Shrek

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    yeah. it's important to note that jen wasn't the sole source, other comedians have stepped up and said they've heard similar stories, although none of them have been from victims directly.
     
  2. iCarly Rae Jepsen

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    probably I never found the show offensive or found anything particularly damning in his act, but hindsight is 20 20
     
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  3. Shrek

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    yeah, there is nothing wrong with a show navigating those topics, even with the pamela stuff. i don't recall them glorifying any portion of it. prior to the allegations, if someone were to make me name my three favorite shows ever, there's no way louie isn't in there. i really truly loved that show.
     
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  4. OhTheWater

    Let it run Supporter

    As someone who has never had to deal with any sort of sexual abuse/harassment in real life, I found the scene certainly odd and disturbing but not necessarily troubling. As you said, art can deal with serious, taboo topics and as long as they aren't glorifying/promoting them, I don't see a problem with it. Looking back on artists works that deal with topics like sexual abuse or rape after they've been exposed for predatory behavior changes how the material can be interpreted.

    For instance, I really enjoy the film KIDS. It's raw and real and disturbing. I've had weird feelings about Larry Clarke for decades because of the way he consistently works with and films young people. His works make me uncomfortable, and I think the subject matter should make people uncomfortable, but if he were ever to be exposed as a rapist or abuser idk if I could return to the film.
     
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  5. suicidesaints

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    I've definitely felt that was about Clarke too. He seems to always work with young people and most of his films are pretty sexual in nature.

    I totally get looking back after someone is outed for something definitely brings a new perspective and can totally tarnish the original product.
     
  6. FrenzalRob

    34 / Melbourne, Australia Supporter

    It's odd territory. The whole idea of a product being tarnished after something like this happens, I get. I'm feeling iffy about House Of Cards at the moment, and I consider it one of my all-time favourite shows.

    As far as risky topics in comedy go...I'm all for free speech, and the fact that art is subjective. While I understand it would be hard for certain people to be confronted with certain topics in comedy/television/the media, being able to separate what is real and what is a joke or satire is important. A girl I know is a victim of sexual assault, and she makes sure to keep away from forms of entertainment that may bring back that painful memory, whether it be comedy, music or T.V. And if she comes across something unintentionally, like for example, Louis C.K doing a stand-up special, she'll switch it off. She doesn't go about stopping other people from enjoying his brand of comedy though.

    I find it really fucking awful that people in entertainment feel as though they can't come forward when cases like this happen, as they think it may ruin their career. What goes on behind closed doors in Hollywood/the entertainment business is a fucked up thing. If this actually was Louis that did this to these poor girls, I hope he gets what's coming to him.
     
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  8. Joel Nov 7, 2017
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    Joel

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    it's very important for comedy to broach difficult topics as a means of starting a conversation/making light of tough stuff as a coping mechanism. I don't find police violence to be funny, but I will laugh at a joke about it because I think there is something important about saying "what the fuck else can we do in the wake of this" and I actually find it really cathartic to laugh in the face of the all-encompassing darkness that is the world we live in.

    that being said, a lot of this has to come from a knowledge of who the person is - a racist joke from a racist is different than an advocate poking fun at a stereotype. insensitivity does not always equal malice and it'd be insane to think that any time a person makes a joke it is reflective of their worldview, that is detrimental to both comedy and to how we relate to each other.

    It is very important to draw your own line, my girlfriend and I have this discussion quite often. She will not tolerate any jokes about sexual assault due to her own experience, but can admit she will laugh at other things that may be seen as taboo because she doesn't have the same personal experience informing her relationship/reaction to the joke. Because of that, she doesn't feel comfortable demonizing people that upset her based on her lived experience and not others based on experiences she hasn't lived. There is definite credence to understanding what may upset you may not upset others, and tone and intent need to play into how we have these conversations. I personally think good people can make bad jokes with tact and, if there is some social commentary attached, even better.

    Much has been made in the thread already about some of Louis' choice of words in saying n*****r, f****t and the like. I'm not going to stand here like I condone it, but I think the point of the bit (and that whole special) was trying to convey that words only have the power we give them and by stripping that away, we alleviate and eliminate the weaponizing of those words. Whether you agree with the thesis or not is absolutely fair, but saying that there is no place for challenging the quo could potentially stifle valuable conversation.

    In light of recent allegations, I tip-toe with his material more than I have in the past and always want to be mindful. That being said, I am not ready to renounce him entirely as the claims were largely spread through the Kirkman thing, who herself has walked them back. I am not defending him so much as I'm trying to remain open to the possibility that a rumor may have killed somebody's career. His choice to not engage with the claims in the media really isn't that strange, if he came out and said he didn't do anything wrong, he would look just as guilty in all of your eyes so I'm really not sure what would be accomplished if he is potentially innocent. I will always side with the victim, I'm just not sure who that person is yet and am very frequently reading up on the situation to try and piece more evidence against him together before I talk on the topic with any authority, but none of this seems to be as black and white as people are making it out to be thus far.

    The views on offensive comedy will stand, but I will eat my words on the rest if anything more comes out. Again, it is important that people draw their own lines and stand by their personal convictions on anything like this and I applaud those that are distancing themselves from his work to be safe and ultimately to err on the side of caution in support of any potential victims.
     
  9. Shrek

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    What a mess. I don’t know what to think at this point. I am a fan of Jen’s, so doubting her here feels wrong... but her account of the podcast and how it actually went down are two different things if the transcripts are accurate. There’s no other man who has transcended comedy in the last decade like Louis. Many have gone to film, but few behind the camera, and none that at that point were turning out artsy projects.

    I don’t know. It’s certainly affected how I view his work already. Regardless of what he did or didn’t do, the tone of this flick rubs me the wrong way. Now is not the time to satirize the subject of sleeziness in showbiz.
     
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  10. Yeah, I dunno what to say. I find the whole thing ... weird. I always assumed she was talking about Louis as well, but she's been very outspoken recently about other creeps in industries and if she was going to call out Louis by name, I think she would right now, and instead she went the opposite and said it wasn't him. I dunno.
     
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  11. iCarly Rae Jepsen

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  12. aoftbsten

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    Reading up on all this. I get that "not giving a shit" is part of his whole persona, but is it that hard to come out and address the allegations?
     
  13. Shrek

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  14. Joel

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    and if he said "I didn't do it", would that really have any sway on your feelings towards it?
     
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  15. Shrek

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    It doesn’t matter if we like him more or less, it matters that he would be tackling the issue of sexual abuse against young women more directly.
     
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  16. FrenzalRob

    34 / Melbourne, Australia Supporter

    Nailed my thoughts exactly. To a tee.
     
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  17. aoftbsten

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    Probably not. My apologies if I'm misinterpreting your post, but are you suggesting that it's fine that just continues to brush it off like it's nothing though? Yea, he'd probably just deny it, but I think ignoring it just reinforces the shitty notion that these types of allegations are trivial and unimportant.

    From everything I've read posted in this thread and outside, it definitely sounds like he's guilty of something.
     
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  18. I thought about that, but her twitter feed is daily very controversial stuff. I dunno, to say she's not going to comment on it anymore would be one thing, to flat out deny it was Louis is a different thing. Especially with her being very vocal around abusers in the entertainment industry right now on Twitter. To deny, flat out, that it was Louis she was talking about makes me lean toward believing her.
     
  19. “I’m not going to answer to that stuff, because they’re rumors,” C.K. told The New York Times in an interview published Monday. “If you actually participate in a rumor, you make it bigger and you make it real.”

    AFAIK that's all he's said on it.
     
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  20. aoftbsten

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    Yea, guilty or non guilty, kind of messed of up to just act like it's not an issue in my opinion.
     
  21. Especially when he's offered his commentary on literally everything else. Hard to rant about "omg we have cellphones people are complaining about wtf" while staying silent on this.
     
  22. Joel

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    I don't think pleading not guilty would really change any opinions, pretty much every major perpetrator tries that first in hopes they won't get caught. That being said, using this to make a statement about the seriousness of the issue would be the right way to go about it. I'm not saying I like the fact that he is being evasive, I think (if innocent) he seems to think that speaking to the contrary would only seem like admittance through denial. However, there is a responsibility for anybody with a platform to be constructive and not run away, regardless of whether they are innocent or not.
     
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  23. brandon_260

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    I saw the film at TIFF and have largely felt bad about doing so ever since. To make a film that includes these themes while under the scrutiny for sexual assault/harassment, and then to never condemn either way is bold (in a bad way) and gross. It almost feels at times like he is flaunting what he can get away with. If you are going to make a film about such a predatory character and just sort of let him do his thing, all while you are being accused of heinous conduct, it was like salting a wound.
     
  24. suicidesaints

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    If nothing else, the timing is EXTREMELY poor. It's very strange.
     
  25. Yasqueen4

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    This
     
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