Yep, I'm more than aware of that. I separate the art from the artist and all that. I just think Kendrick fans are hypocrites
This is a dumb argument to have, they both seem like at the very least shitty, deeply flawed men. I don't think anyone has highground, and I think taking shots at the fans of one vs the other for not being woke enough or whatever is stupid.
I'd agree with this part. Both are seemingly shitty people, Kendrick fans for the most part just like to pretend otherwise
Where? The 10 people left on this site that give a shit about hip hop can all probably admit that abusing women and working with rapists and abusers is a bad thing. You seem to be making up people.
I also think it’s bad that Kodak is on that album, and I’m not trying to make an “excuse” for him being on there - I’m just saying that one of the artists talks about themselves in a way that involves some level of self-criticism (not enough to absolve themselves of the things you’re talking about, but enough that they are humanized somewhat through that process) while the other is permanently talking about how bad everyone is to him. How much of an emphasis one places on any of that is up to them.
I think both of them are full of shit and it does not really matter how they talk about themselves in their lyrics.
I get what you're saying, I just felt like describing the behaviour of someone who actively chooses to work with abusers of women as a "shortcoming" was downplaying the matter and insensitive. I don't think you'd use such language to describe Drake's (or any other artist you don't care for all that much) shitty behaviour
So I agree “where there’s smoke there’s fire” and all of that, would not even be remotely surprised if Kendrick had things he’s trying to hide. But it does feel like a lot of criticism from Drake fans, more or less boil down to “but Kendrick did (xxx) ” or “but his faaaaans ”…to which: who cares! These are hypotheticals! We could go around in circles all day like this!
Well to be clear, and this is more useful to your point, i don’t think any of Kendrick’s music has directly addressed working with Carti/Dre/Kodak. Morale is mostly an album about his warped attitude towards sex and cheating and being bad to his family, and then there’s songs in older albums like ‘u’ and ‘Fear’ as well where he’s self-critical. My initial point was to your comment that you don’t understand why people treat Kendrick as morally superior to Drake - it’s because Kendrick expresses these things about himself, while Drake does not (or at least hasn’t for a long time/doesn’t have a reputation for). I think there’s a lot of people who view that as humanizing, which often gets conflated with morality, whether it should or shouldn’t. And again, I’m not trying to be prescriptive - how much any of that matters to anyone when they’re determining something like “morality” is up to them, and I’m with you (in the vast majority of instances, at least) when it comes to separating the art from the artist and hopefully rendering these conversations moot anyways.
I do think the one part of Morale that "addresses" having Kodak Black on Morale is also the fact that the album discusses cycles of abuse and breaking those cycles with forgiveness, which is again why the idea to have someone like Kodak feature on the album is...wild, and seemingly intentional but completely misguided.
I think there’s two options: 1) Kendrick doesn’t care about the fact that he’s an abuser, which is very bad, or 2) it’s what you’re saying and is an idea that could be compelling in general but he’s going about it in a very dumb way, the net-effect of which is also bad.