Hillary

Discussion in 'Politics Forum' started by CRandy, Jul 9, 2016.

  1. CRandy

    Newbie

    Hillary Clinton can't be trusted because of the series of allegations that she's been facing. If I was facing such allegations, I would be sent to prison but she's getting off scott free. That is sad. Because of these allegations, I would rather have a dog catcher for President.
    Also, Hillary said that she's going to put a lot of coal miners out of work. Coal miners are human beings just like everybody else and they need their jobs. What will the coal miners and their families do when they go hungry or are evicted because they can't afford to buy food or pay their bills? If coal miners vote for Hillary, they'll be slicing their own throats.
    I'm also worried that she may not stop at just putting coal miners out of work. What if she puts other people out of work also? I honestly believe that no votes would be better than votes for Hillary.
     
  2. Jake Gyllenhaal Jul 9, 2016
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    Jake Gyllenhaal

    How does it feel to be in R.E.M.?

    Considering she's a Democrat, I'm sure she will expand social safety nets (welfare, SNAP) for those out-of-work coal minors.

    Also, something tells me you're a coal minor or the relative of a coal minor.
     
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  3. mescalineeyes

    actually my pianos have always been teeth

    I think she's a piece of shit and shady as fuck.

    That said, in all honesty, she's been doing really well by progressives lately and I am actually convinced she'll do a good job.
     
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  5. David87

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    I think you're probably just a troll, but...

    1. She's not just saying "yeah, fuck coal miners, I'm gonna put them out of work". She's talking about a changing economy and changing energy sector due to the need to combat climate change. Coal miners are already getting put out of work due to the natural gas boom. It's cheaper and cleaner than coal overall. When Clinton talks about coal miners being out of work, she's saying she's planning on investing taxpayer dollars in clean energy R&D, i.e. solar, hydro, wind, etc. The result of any of those things taking off on a boom would almost undoubtedly be the death of the coal industry as we know it. That death, BTW, is inevitable. It just may happen faster if we speed up the technology developments in things like solar. What Clinton has said unlike other candidates (besides Bernie), is that she would enact federal programs meant to ease the people working in that industry into other industries. I.e. federal benefits and re-training.

    2. E-mail thing is a bit more complicated than you're making it out to be, but short version--if a court can't prove that she knowingly mishandled the information, they can't convict. It's a hard thing to prove.

    3. Your last paragraph is based off the faulty "she wants to put people out of work" thingy that I addressed in point #1. she's not running for president just to "put people out of work", she's saying she wants to invest in industries that would put certain other industries into financial stress. Those industries she wants to invest in do create their own jobs too, BTW.


    All that being said...she's by all accounts a pretty scummy politician who is, above all else, in it for the power. She was basically a moderate Republican in the 90's, and in those times supported some pretty awful right wing policy. But as a policy wonk, she certainly knows what she's doing and would make a far better head of state than her general election opponent. It's also not entirely without merit to say she's moved a little further to the left. Many people would say there's no way you can trust her, and I'd be inclined to agree, but as i said earlier, she's in it for the power. The democratic base of the 90's aint the Democratic base of today, and if she wants the power, she has to placate the base. Which makes her further left than old-Clinton policies a little bit more believable.
     
  6. aspeedomodel

    Cautiously pessimistic Prestigious

    Gary Johnson 2016?
     
  7. CRandy

    Newbie

    Even former President Jimmy Carter dislikes Hillary Clinton. These were his exact words: "The novelty of electing the first woman President of America should not outweigh our duty of electing an honest and ethical President".
     
  8. iCarly Rae Jepsen

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  9. CRandy

    Newbie

    Bernie Sanders is two faced. A few weeks ago he said that Hillary Clinton is unfit and now he's asking us to vote for her. Bernie has let his country down. Two faced people can't be trusted.
     
  10. Thursdaysox

    We know it from the silence

    What should have he done instead?
     
  11. clucky

    C O R N Supporter

    keep it all in one thread dude
     
  12. Thursdaysox

    We know it from the silence

    Clinton is proof that majority of people in this country that vote in the primaries (which is next to none) vote on name recognition alone. She is an awful shell of a person.
     
  13. St. Nate

    Dark Mode? Never Heard of It... Prestigious

     
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  14. Benjamin Lee

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    Can anyone make me feel less bad for deciding to vote for Hilary? I honestly just can't stand the thought of Trump winning and she's the only who can realistically block him from it. But at the same time, she is pretty scummy and I don't know as much about her as I'd like to.
     
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  15. Thursdaysox

    We know it from the silence

    Nope, not even her most hardcore supporter could give you one reason why she's a better candidate than Bernie. All they've got is "First woman prez!" and "HOW COULD YOU VOTE FOR TRUMP???!" Sad times, indeed.
     
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  16. Benjamin Lee

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    I don't need to hear she's better than Bernie, just that's she's definitely better the Trump. Haha
     
  17. Thursdaysox

    We know it from the silence

    Lol, I mean, both are unforgiving, relentless liars. But at least Clinton is intentionally lying, Trump actually believes some of his lies are truths (???). Hillary is a republican, and while the Donald said he was going to lean more socially liberal, his VP choice shows the GOP has other plans for that. So I literally have no clue, we are fucked either way. Best thing you can do is get out and vote for some decent local legislators / congressmen, and pray these executive branch idiots don't mess too much up.
     
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  18. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    no tears left to cry Prestigious

    Donald Trump doesn't believe in global warming, Hillary does

    I think her presidency would likely be status quo
     
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  19. mescalineeyes

    actually my pianos have always been teeth

    Honestly, after the way she's been conducting herself recently and how open she was towards integrating a lot of Bernie's ideas into her platform, Abuela has my blessing.
     
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  20. Benjamin Lee

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    That's true. I feel like she's qualified for sure, I don't think Trump is at all.
     
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  21. Zoshchenko

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    There are many legitimate criticisms of Clinton. For one, her role with the "superpredators" nonsense is unconsciousable.

    However, I think this is an interesting article and I'd like to hear people's thoughts on it, if y'all decide to read it. The article certainly isn't all-encompassing and has some flaws, but provides some food for thought.

    https://thepolicy.us/thinking-about-hillary-a-plea-for-reason-308fce6d187c#.icv7euuke
     
  22. CRandy

    Newbie

    Two days ago I read something that really ticked me off. When Bill Clinton was Governor of Arkansas, Hillary Clinton referred to some mentally challenged children as F****** retards. Hillary is a cruel woman.

    She was overheard making that horrible remark when those mentally challenged kids were having an Easter egg hunt on the Governor Mansion's lawn. The children were having a hard time finding the eggs and Hillary became impatient and asked "When are they going to get those F****** retards out of here"? Mentally challenged people are human beings just like everybody else and they deserve to be treated with respect!

    Hillary's supporters may become angry at me because of what I've written but it's the truth. The USA deserves and needs somebody better than Hillary. 151119_DX_Hillary-Myths_jpg_CROP_promo-xlarge2.jpg
     
  23. iCarly Rae Jepsen

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  24. clucky

    C O R N Supporter

    what part about "use the threads that already exist" don't you understand?
     
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  26. Jake Gyllenhaal

    How does it feel to be in R.E.M.?

    Randy really has an agenda against Hillary
     
  27. WordsfromaSong

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    you have a source for that story bud?