Green Day - Saviors (January 19th, 2024) • Page 40

I think the vinyl master is better than the digital master, but the album definitely feels like it's got some of the loudness war issues I'd more associate with late 90s or early 2000s records. It's their worst-sounding album by a wide margin, IMO. Well, other than the first one.

 

I listened to RevRad again today and found it pretty unremarkable. Some good songs, for sure, but also a lot I wasn't really into.

 

I think Rev Red is their second worst album next to Father of all

 

The Rev Radio affection does surprise me. I found it very dull and by-the-numbers. There's nothing really offensively bad about it but it just never stuck with me at all. The highs of 21CB still make it the best post AI material by a long shot for me.

 

I think "Do Da Da" was from the Insomniac sessions and it got mixed up with the song "Stuck With Me". So..."Do Da Da" was originally going to be called "Stuck With Me" and vice versa

 

No idea of the source but this is what TVTropes says

 

Yeah, that's long been the conspiracy theory but never confirmed. The OTHER thing I wish they'd shed some light on is the Cigarettes and Valentines tapes being "lost/stolen."

 

I really do wonder where that Stuck With Me/Do Da Da "theory" came from. I've seen it around the Internet since '98 or so, and it makes logical sense, but I've never actually seen it sourced. I just checked the Marc Spitz book about them and there's nothing on it in there.

The book does talk about C&V a bit, though! Basically, nobody from the band or their management would talk about it for the book (which is odd considering the band was heavily involved)... But the studio owner insists it wasn't stolen: "Everybody's fuckin' writing that it was taken from here. It was not. I mean they took their drives with them at the time ... There are safes, everything, you know? Surveillance, safes, I mean there's multiple steel doors that you would have to get through."

So for that one? I'd go ahead and take that as solid confirmation that it wasn't ever actually stolen. At least not from the studio. I almost want to go back and look at the band interviews now to see exactly what they said about it... But I've always held the belief that it wasn't ever actually stolen, just shelved for whatever reason, and at least some of the tracks will see the light of day at one point or another in some form.

 

American Idiot deluxe reissue with the full Cigarettes & Valentines album.

 

It was never stolen, just abandoned and given a fun backstory.

 

It was obviously The Network trying to sabotage them.

 

Most of the Cigarettes and Valentines songs were the American Idiot b-sides (Too Much Too Soon, Governator, Favourite Son etc). I think they just canned it cause it was crap. I swear I've seen an interview with Mike confirming as much.

 

At this point, no way they are holding on to a secret Dookie/Insomniac style record and releasing their last 5-6 records instead. Camp fun backstory for abandoned songs.

 

I love me some Green Day but if the title track of C&V was the best they can do that really did not suggest the rest of the album was much cop.

 

There's also a 2016 interview I just stumbled across where Billie and Mike both just say that album is "pretty much in the vaults right now." So yeah. LOL

 

I think Green Day is one of those bands that has a treasure trove of unreleased material. We'll see it one day. Is Saviors just a re-titled 1972 or was 1972 a scrapped album replaced by Saviors?

 

Feel like it was just a working title

 

I still say the AI bonus tracks are C&V tracks.

 

Apparently they are currently performing at a subway station in NYC and filming it for the Tonight Show!

 

Just got my vinyl shipping notification.

 

The "Stuck With Me" mix-up story is true but "Do Da Da" was always going to be a b-side regardless of what it was named

 

Damn those clips sound great

 

Shocked this hasn’t leaked yet. There are copies out on the wild

 

Too Much Too Soon rips

 

I like the AI B-sides. *shrugs*