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Jake Gyllenhaal · Feb 17, 2019

Squirm, baby, squirm

Wharf Rat · Feb 17, 2019

David87 · Feb 17, 2019

That has to be a typo, right? 33 trillion?

David87 · Feb 17, 2019

Oooooh okay it's a tool that allows you to make your own wealth taxes. That's pretty fucking cool. I love when publications do this.

NYTimes had a fantastic tool back in 2010 that was like "How did you eliminate the deficit?" or something like that....I think my plan did it like 91% through tax raises lol

Ferrari333SP · Feb 17, 2019

Bullet train went from peak California innovation to the project from hell

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...nited-states-will-never-have-high-speed-rail/

Pro Rata Podcast: California's high-speed rail fail

Leftandleaving · Feb 17, 2019

Man sherrod brown dude what happened

David87 · Feb 17, 2019

Leftandleaving said:

Man sherrod brown dude what happened

I'm guessing his internal polling and his own campaigning in 2018 revealed to him that white working class people from the midwest didn't flee the Democrats because of 'economic anxiety' and realizes they either want racists or moderates because 'socialism' is for minorities or some shit.

Jason Tate · Feb 17, 2019

Jason Tate · Feb 17, 2019

If only there was something you could do about the 60 votes thing

David87 · Feb 17, 2019

Swell replies to this one

Philll · Feb 17, 2019

"Dear conservatives, please act in good faith" is some real credulous shit.

incognitojones · Feb 17, 2019

I’d be worried about getting 51 votes for Medicare for all, dem senators aren’t all as aligned as the R’s, and a bunch are still taking insurance money I’m sure.

David87 · Feb 17, 2019

It seems weird to me that this isn’t the go to compromise on M4A instead of the 50 or 55+ thing

Leftandleaving · Feb 17, 2019

Peter Daou’s leftward face turn has been wild to watch

Leftandleaving · Feb 17, 2019

Leftandleaving · Feb 17, 2019

the rural juror · Feb 17, 2019

Is it weird that all this Jussie Smollett stuff reminded me of a scene in a movie I haven’t watched in at least 10 years?

sophos34 · Feb 17, 2019

Wharf Rat said:

The Middle Class is (now, at least) a social class, not a material economic one. In terms of material class, you are either a worker or an owner - you either sell your labor or buy others' and make profit off of it. Most people who consider themselves middle class in the US probably do belong to that social class, but they also probably do not own any productive capital, so they are not really bourgeoisie. The use of language elevating the "middle class" by self-proclaimed socialists just mystifies this paradigm and makes class consciousness more difficult to achieve, which also harms working class solidarity and any efforts at working class organizing.

Marx talks about the bourgeoisie as 'the middle class' because the class above them - the aristocracy - was much more organized and better defined - especially in legal codes - than they are now, especially in the conservative absolutist empires of Marx' time. But he describes the French and American revolutions as bourgeois revolutions which overthrew aristocracies and established bourgeois rule, so in modern liberal democracies Marxist tend to describe the ruling class as 'the bourgeoisie.' This is probably similarly mystifying in the end, as talking about "oligarchs" and "the bourgeoisie" in the same sentence to describe the same ruling class doesn't really make any sense.

'Middle class' now is just a signifyer, really, a promise that you can make enough money by selling your labor to maybe pay off your house one day and - if you're lucky! - start your own business and become truly bourgeois, if only petite bourgeois. Which shouldn't be the message of socialist.

Middle class - Wikipedia

Marxism[edit]
Main articles: Marxism and Marxian class theory
In Marxism, which defines social classes according to their relationship with the means of production, the "middle class" is said to be the class below the ruling class and above the proletariat in the Marxist social schema and is synonymous with the term "petit-" or "petty-bourgeoisie". Marxist writers have used the term in two distinct but related ways.[15] In the first sense it is used for the bourgeoisie, the urban merchant and professional class that arose between the aristocracy and the proletariat in the waning years of feudalism in the Marxist model. V. I. Lenin, stated that the "peasantry ... in Russia constitute eight- or nine-tenths of the petty bourgeoisie".[16][17] However, in modern developed countries, Marxist writers define the petite bourgeoisie as primarily comprising, as the name implies, owners of small to medium-sized businesses who derive their income from the exploitation of wage-laborers (and who are in turn exploited by the "big" bourgeoisie i.e. bankers, owners of large corporate trusts, etc.) as well as the highly educated professional class of doctors, engineers, architects, lawyers, university professors, salaried middle-management of capitalist enterprises of all sizes, etc. – as the "middle class" which stands between the ruling capitalist "owners of the means of production" and the working class (whose income is derived solely from hourly wages).

Pioneer 20th century American Marxist theoretician Louis C. Fraina (Lewis Corey) defined the middle class as "the class of independent small enterprisers, owners of productive property from which a livelihood is derived."[18] Included in this social category, from Fraina's perspective, were "propertied farmers" but not propertyless tenant farmers. Middle class also included salaried managerial and supervisory employees but not "the masses of propertyless, dependent salaried employees.[18] Fraina speculated that the entire category of salaried employees might be adequately described as a "new middle class" in economic terms, although this remained a social grouping in which "most of whose members are a new proletariat".[18]

stop sexting me daddy

David87 · Feb 17, 2019

David87 · Feb 17, 2019

Henry · Feb 17, 2019

This story is brutal

Aurora gunman opened fire on his coworkers as soon as he lost his job - CNN

Jake Gyllenhaal · Feb 17, 2019

Henry said:

This story is brutal

Aurora gunman opened fire on his coworkers as soon as he lost his job - CNN

Saw that one of the victims was an intern on his first day.

iCarly Rae Jepsen · Feb 17, 2019

David87 · Feb 17, 2019

There’s a player named “TrumpPatriotQ17” with the clan tag MAGA in this call of duty lobby I’m in.

I was going to continue to fuck his shit up but he left. Fucking snowflake.

iCarly Rae Jepsen · Feb 17, 2019

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