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i'm agreeing!

 

How is it that guys named Bill Mitchell are such villains?

 

Where does this stop though? Like if it was Cruz or Pence at the top of the ticket would you still feel this way? Because I think there's been a lot of agreement that they would be as bad as Trump. I mean this response seems to essentially be asking third parties to lay down despite the neoliberal politics of the democrats that got us into this. There's no end in sight.

 

I gotta agree with this. We should call them for what they are, the term alt right itself is becoming normalized more and more every day. Call them what they are. The media needs to call them what they are. But they won't

 

Exactly. Jill Stein does need to go. She isn't effective in any meaningful way. But, the Green Party isn't going anywhere and I think respecting those of us who have been supportive of their project, while building together, is paramount.

 

Listen, if there can be prominent/experienced/hardened/educated anarchists getting excited over Keith Ellison, liberals should be able to lay the hell off of third parties for a minute at least

 

for me, doesn't stop for those guys. not Rubio either. the Republican party is not at a place where getting third parties out of the low single digits is a priority. maybe they never will be.

hypotheticals don't have a lot of value to me at this point either.

 

"The form a revolutionary strategy will have to take is to be determined and constituted by scientific analysis and popular struggle. Both of these require us to log out – to leave the digital fortress that imprisons left-wing intellectuals in a comfortable petty-bourgeois culture and reduces our politics to idealist wandering. Wander we must, but not on our Twitter feed. We need to leave our bubbles. Those in the cities and suburbs need to investigate them as if they were new to us. Those in the countryside and small towns need to leave our zones and push further into rural America, to knock on doors and talk to people across the country. We have to talk to Trump voters, of course, but also to those millions who didn’t vote this year and the almost 100 million who cannot vote.

From these conversations we can discover the forms of organization that people are already in the process of constructing, formulate an appropriate strategy for this unforeseen conjuncture, and begin to rebuild socialist politics with a mass base. Now more than ever we have to work together, synchronize our efforts.

There are no easy victories – only years of hard, coordinated organizing ahead. The first step for every revolutionary is logging out."

Logging Out

 

You can feel negative about people who voted third party because there's a dictator/fascist and still not hate third parties or blame them. Its not positive so it has to be something else, doesn't mean hatred necessarily. I just hope that they can conjure a magical that can appeal to all of the left.

 

For real. I've never seen anything like this before.

 

If you have a millennial friend who voted for Johnson go (metaphorically) slap the shit out of them with some knowledge about how terrible he is

 

What's negativity toward people you're trying to unify going to accomplish?

 

I mean, not everyone is super on board, but most of the people who are entrenched in activist circles are ready for a united front. Although, someone did scare me by reminding me of the last united front to fight fascism. It did lose, but the movement grew, and what else is there to do?

 

what do you have to lose?

 

Was looking at the Wikipedia page of fascist movements last night. They still haven't added "the Republican Party." Hehe

 

There are obvious limitations and I've seen some pushback on the issue, however, deciding to build a broader left won't undermine our respective projects. People have forgotten that you have to meet people where they are, not where we wish them to be. That isn't to say we withhold criticism or critiques, though. It merely means we have to establish a framework in which that can manifest in productive ways.

 

Good reading list:

https://bostonreview.net/reading-li...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

Hahahhaha. Fuck that.

 

You can feel negative about a situation without like literally hating and despising people. Grudges dont help anyone

 

I mean you can but what's the point? The election happened, Stein voters wouldn't have changed the outcome, its time to move forward and build unity. That's all I'm saying.

 

They shouldn't of needed to be "guilted." Voting against a biggoted fascist should have been the reason. Period. But now we're here.

 

That was what I was afraid of. Good job FBI. Good job.

 

That's weird the second letter did even more damage.

 

It wasn't a referendum on the administration's policies. She won the popular vote and Obama has favs in the 60s.

 

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