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He looked the other way for a while when Lord Commander Mormont told him about crasters boys

 

He also genuinely struggles with the conflict between his loyalty to the Watch and his feelings for Ygritte. His gut reaction was to smile when he sees her aiming an arrow at him lol

 

I remember that differently, there was a scene where craster's guys roughed Jon up and Jon argued with the Commander and called Craster a Monster. I thought Jon found out about Craster on his own. Is there more to that?

 

Jon followed Craster into the woods and saw him dropping off a son for the White Walkers and got knocked out by Craster...when he confronts Jeor about it, he realizes from Jeor's reaction that he already knows and Mormont explains that the Watch needs men like Craster to help them survive beyond the wall, and that Craster "Serves crueler gods than you or I"

 

Yeah but that ties back to his fealty to authority as well

 

Which I guess the Dany situation does too

 

It’s a different situation imo. He did immediately protest it and never defended the actions of Craster, and actually immediately condemned them. Plus Mormont is removed from the vile act itself, he just didn’t back Jon in stopping it.

 

True. I'd have to think about it some more, I don't know if there's another situation. You could make the case he knew what Ygritte/The Wildlings did/would do to people and he loved her anyway, but he also refused to participate in it himself.


Anyway, I was just thinking....I really wanna meet Balerion, Vhaegar, and Vermithor. Gimmie the Fire and Blood prequel series, HBO.

 

The only character arc that matters.

 

Master of Grammar and Lord of Lofty Titles

 

Also I love that he became Master of Ships, especially because I feel like in the book when Stannis offers him the title of Hand, he counters that he'd be better as Master of Ships.

THat could just be headcanon but I thought that was part of the exchange in the books.

I can say without a doubt that "Stannis ground his teeth" was part of it though!

 

Rewatching the finale right now, like legit re-watch, and all the choices def sit better with me on re-watch.

I feel so bad for Dany, Jon, and Drogon in the throne room scene. And I def think Drogon knows the difference between right and wrong and understands why Jon did what he did. And that really makes me want to have something that explores the dragons more in this world.

 

Ah, poor Edmure

 

Loved this

 

Whoa, here’s a random thought.

Lets say the WW and the NK won the Battle of Winterfell and take over Westeros. Who would be the only other “person” left? The Mountain, right? He can’t be turned into a wigt or WW and unless they literally torn him apart he would have likely just kept killing them, right?

 

The Mountain is Azor Ahai

 

Here’s something to consider. Imagine how angry people would be if they waited for Martin to finish writing the books before they made the final few seasons.

Very few shows can finish it off right to please everyone. I think it’s important to realize that the show for the most part maintained its key cast throughout the run. They didn’t have to replace a main character because of contract issues, or wrongful acts committed in their personal lives generally speaking.

I read a good fan re-write summary of the final season. I’ll give them some credit for coming up with a cool alt ending. But, I’m sure that person wouldn’t have had the guts to kill Ned Stark in season 1.

Also, if you save certain characters, you must kill others. For Dany to survive, that would mean Tyrion, and probably Sansa, Bran and Arya would all die in the long run.

Most of the violent by nature/or design characters died to bring peace to the land. Except for maybe Grey Worm.

Arya, Jon, Bron, Brieanne were all sort of violent by need (revenge, advancement protect).

 

No, thats not right haha

 

To be fair they did a shit job explaining what he could and could not see or do but yeah, that’s not right lol

 

They explained so little with him and left so many possibilities open for his motivations that that’s about as believable as him being benevolent and good for the realm. Someone even did an edit going into that theory at length and it was pretty cool.