Say what you want about it, I literally screamed when she appeared and again when she stabbed him. What a fucking moment. I'd be pissed too if I were Kit lol
I would like the way this played out better if they dealt with Cersei first and then The Night King... If those two could've been flip-flopped.
The Night King/White Walkers storyline just had no emotional investment from a majority of the main characters. It’s been like 4/5’s Iron Throne, 1/5 White Walkers. Also, every knew the White Walkers wouldn’t win in the TV version of GoT. I guess they want to focus the end on the Iron Throne. I think the show could actually end with different characters taking responsibility for regions (like different countries) with no overall ruler.
Yeah I think some sort of counsel is the most likely ending at this point. Maybe the nominate someone as "king" or "queen" but it's not an absolute ruler anymore and the king/queen can be removed from power by the counsel or something like that.
The people of westeros don't give two shits about the iron throne. They're out there trying to survive not even aware of the night king and Kings landing war. Hot pie is just making some food for weary travelers. The iron throne is irrelevant.
This last season has not played out how I would have wanted it to at all but I am still very excited for tomorrow's night's episode and can't believe it is actually the series finale.
I think if it worked out the way people wanted it too, Ned Stark would still be alive and nothing crazy and exciting would have happened (except the white walkers business). As for script, a lot of the good “talkie” characters and strategists/schemers are, well gone or powerless. Season 8 is putting all the talk into action. I do wish they’d squeeze a couple more of those kinds of scenes in, but ohm well.
I thought they would do a council/voting system of sorts at the end, but I also wondered if they would try to do some sort of rotating throne (each family gets their time). Anything to deter people from wanting to start wars for the throne, really.
It’s not so much the outcomes people are disappointed with (at least here) it’s the execution. Dany murdering innocent people, some of them her own, could work but you have to build up to something so drastic. In my opinion they didn’t do that, and her feeling paranoid and isolated doesn’t explain a murderous rampage for her character. I am looking forward to the finale. Like David said before, I can’t think of many outcomes that I would be totally upset with. I just hope they execute it well for this last one.
They executed someone important to her. That was the ‘snap point’. She felt rejected as a leader, as a lover, she had two of her ‘kids/dragons’ die, the kingdom killed her father and a majority of her family. She spent 8 seasons working towards something, and it didn’t go as planned. They kind of needed to fully unleash the dragons. I think people are upset because they have been fond of her character. People also grew to like Jamie. He was an addict (addicted to his sister), and in the end he lost his battle to his addiction instead of being the hero. He also had the Dragon Slayer weight on his shoulders, and the Lannister name too. He failed overcome his struggles, but was able to except who he was right before he died.
She also straight told the dude that wanted to re open the fighting pits that she would burn that whole city down if she had to
I always hate when someone’s dismissal of criticism is “they just didn’t do what you wanted them to do.” It’s especially ironic to try to pull it with this show, where the most lauded moments are when they kill off beloved characters. I’ve never been particularly fond of dany’s character. They just did a horrible job of building up whatever they thought they were building up with her. She was only ever brutal towards her explicit opponents, and in that sense she’s no different from 90% of the characters. A key part of her whole arc was that she wanted to free the world of tyrants, which she had been doing nearly the entire series. Her feeling isolated and things not going exactly her way =/= her turning up the viciousness to 11 towards people she had *never* previously wanted to harm.
If Jamie's story is about him failing to overcome his vices and past, then show him doing that. Make it about that. Spend time dramatizing his vices and past overtaking his growth. If Dany's isolation, vengefulness, and power lust drive her mad enough to snap and kill innocent people, show how she makes that connection. Why it's justified in her mind when, whatever her many faults are previous to that moment, she is willing to breach an unforgivable line. Even if you want to explain that away as her being """"mad"""" then I don't know what's psychologically interesting about that.
“In the tv version”, you don’t think the result of that battle was something they discussed with Martin. Also Martin said this season is going to be close to how to books end.. so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I thought they did a great job with Jamie, he started out pushing Bran off the tower and in the end went to fight off White Walkers. But his relationship with his sister (and really in a different way his brother) were his weakness. He had chances to rid himself of Cersei, and over and over again he collapsed and went back to her. They showed his vices (he was banging his sister). They showed their children. When it felt the war was changing him, he went back and got his sister pregnant. He was a an addict and it killed him. He was aware when he left Brienne after defeating the White Walkers. He was away, he had done good, but had to go back. He also had his soft spot for his brother. Even when they had to be enemies, even when he killed his father, Jamie couldn’t act. Put him in battle, he was supposedly amazing. With family, no so. I think his character was one of the most well explored on the show because his environment constantly changed. He was a soldier, a son, a brother, a sister lover, a warrior, a prisoner, a man of power, a captive, a swordsman, a defeated man when he lost his hand, a father, a friend, a Lannister, and on and on. He didn’t have long terms goals or aspirations. He went along with everyone else plans. He just wanted to be with his sister. I think he was the most real character on the show. No magic or mystery. He just wanted to be loved as a person (by everyone). It was impossible though. He couldn’t even be a father to his own kids. He couldn’t live down killing the king, even though he had to do it supposedly because he had gone mad. Also, the father burning down the city was massive foreshadowing to what his daughter would later do (for the show).
I’d assume the books would have gone a similar course, but I’ve only watched the show, and even if they discussed things with Martin, it doesn’t mean he has to adhere to anything. Really, TV has different needs for storytelling.
I agree that it does, but I think those big points.. like defeating the night king and who kills him would be the same..
Foreshadowing isn’t dramatizing. You’re not wrong about Jamie’s character, but the issue is with him going back to Cersei and Dany burning everything, is that they didn’t spend any time showing why in this circumstance, those choices weigh more than all their other values