In what world is Arya even aware of the Night King, let alone in a position to kill him, without Jon being resurrected and "coming down from Castle Black with a wildling army and won the Battle of the Bastards", as Hot Pie put it? She was on her way to Kings Landing before that.
It makes sense from the standpoint that Melisandre clearly has magical abilities within the series. I don’t know if the actual truth about the lord or light or how the magic works has been developed enough in the show to explain why it worked in that specific moment, but I don’t have a problem that it happened.
If Jon hadn’t come back they wouldn’t have been going on a wight hunt either and the NK wouldn’t have gotten a dragon, so there are ups and downs of his return. Lol. He was important to the death of the NK as it happened for sure.
Someone said it in the thread weeks ago but when it comes to the Lord of Light, it does seem that a lot of the 'magic' from R'Hllor is mostly just blood magic and spells that have been dressed up in religion to try and cover up the fact that it's really just blood magic. Of course, if the show took the time to do the books right, they would have pushed the narrative that the dragons being born brought magic back into the world again. But then that begs the question, where did Dany's magic come from/why were the dragons able to be born in the first place...I'm guessing that was blood magic too though, she sacrificed Mirri and her death paid for her life and the life of her dragon eggs.
Does the “blood magic” have any kind of rules to it or is it more of a science that leads to fantasy elements?
I am very curious to see how the story plays out if GRRM ever finishes writing the books. There's no reason he can't have changed his mind from when he 'gave them the notes' and have rewritten major parts of the story for his books.
I don't think it ever gets explained IIRC. The Shadowlands of Asshai have an almost mythical reputation of being a land where sorcerers and necromancers practice blood magic and human sacrifice and etc, but we never get any of it explained to us in the books. There's a Red Priest named Moqorro that travels with Victarion who seems to be more powerful than either Thoros and Lady Mel, but none of his magic is ever explained in depth. And then there's Quaithe from Asshai, who makes an appearence in season 2 of the show but plays a bigger role in the books, popping up all the time to give Dany advice and make predictions and shit. But it seems whispers and rumors of blood magic always swirl around the red priests, so I like the theory that they just wanted to practice blood magic out in the open so they spun a story of religion around it and now it's an accepted religion and practice haha. The only other sources of explanation of magic comes from The World of Ice and Fire book, and that is written from the perspective of a Maester, and they just write off all magic as not really magic, so it's never explored in depth there to the point where you can say "aha! so that's where the magic comes from".
Honestly I don’t care how much science you throw at me, the fact that planes fly and big ass steel ships float will never not be sorcery to me.
Well the floating thing makes sense with buoyancy and all that. But you can't convince me that planes don't have some Lord of Light shit going on.
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when the Wright brothers started telling people their idea about a giant machine that flies through the air - with people inside of it. Some sorcery right there getting people to believe it and try it.
It would be hilarious if Jesus actually came back and starting performing a bunch of miracles to try to prove his divinity and people were just like no man that's just magic
Soooo the lord of light was actually the one true god? Bc I'd make a case for the many faced god being real too.
That’s what we were discussing last page...someone posted a few weeks ago that their theory was that red priestesses just practice blood magic but they wrapped in religion to make it more acceptable. Would explain why Lady Mel’s spells work, but why Jon said there was nothing but darkness after life. No lord of light or anything like that.
Excuse me if this has been posted but y’all post SO MUCH that I skip 5-7 pages regularly But as a retail manager I feel this in my soul
Interesting. Is there any evidence in the show that this is the case? They’re really invested in the prophesy and the whole light vs night with the white walkers.
I think it was just someone's theory so I don't know if there's any other evidence. I do think both Beric and Jon mention that they didn't see anyone or anything in death, just "nothing". I guess you could say Lady Mel's human sacrifices and leech stuff is blood magic but sicne everyone accepts that R'hllor is a religion, they look the other way more often than they would if it was just straight up "hey yall gonna practice some blood magic now."