man i love my best friend but we hadn't talked for a few days and he messaged me this morning with a big bitch sesh about GoT and we argued and his criticisms were the dumbest shit ive ever read, it made me really appreciate the more critical types in here haha.
I think Hill's criticisms and viewpoint are pretty well thought out. But I hate these out of context clips to try and reinforce that "All the actors hate the 'Game of Thrones' last season too!" Like come on, most are probably being asked this for the thousandth time and would rather be asked to name list their favorite recipe ingredient-by-ingredient than answer what the finale, which they can't talk about in any detail, will be like.
Do tell! I’ve seen a fair amount of that on my FB. I also saw someone who is normally super intelligent make a big post that he hadn’t seen it yet and to not spoil him or make any statuses about the show where he could see it. That....... did not go well.
Liam Cunningham laughing at Conleth Hill's face when asked "do you like how it ended" is absolute gold.
I think this is what sits with me so weirdly about a lot of the endgame of it all. Each character has gone through a lot of changes throughout the show, but with a ton of them, their story essentially ends with "Well, this is who I've always been. Shouldn't have even tried to fight it!" Jaime still obsessed with Cersei over everything else, Dany is still obsessed with power and her destiny of ruling with an iron fist, The Hound still obsessed with revenge on The Mountain, etc. Like, we understand that those things were always part of their characters, but we were given 8 seasons of them wrestling with these things and moving on or growing out of them. It's not a contradiction or anything, it just feels more like they all gave up after a decade of internal conflict. Not exactly sure what the takeaway is supposed to be.
That twitter thread convinced me that the hound's ending did not make sense at all really but it was still cool and fun
I don’t think Dany’s has been perfect, but one of the strengths of this season has been dramatizing her continuing downward trend of loss and isolation. Meanwhile I’m not opposed to how Jamie ended, but the way they got there was pretty terrible. I disagree on the Hound. And I think a big sticking point for me is that it’s literally happening to nearly every character. My friend texted me how much he liked these endings because “people can’t change” and I just fundamentally disagree with that messaging.
The Hound always seemed like a tragic character who was bound to die from seeking revenge and nothing throughout the last eight years really suggested otherwise to me.
- still salty about the Starbucks cup and still using it as proof that they dont care - thinks that the four more episodes would have fixed everything because they "clearly rushed" production of this season to "go ruin Star Wars faster". i mentioned that they spent 55 days on one battle in response and he responded by saying the action sucks. - he said all the fights are "one minute scenes" and i assume he means the more climactic one on one stuff given how TWO ENTIRE EPISODES have been battles. - token "Endgame ruined GoT for me" comment, neglecting to mention most of the non-team up Marvel movies are inconsequential as fuck - he bets that we "aren't even gonna see the end of Winterfell's story", even though their story was the Walkers and the walkers have been resolved - some shit about how the characters aren't holding their swords correctly here's my fav
I also fundamentally disagree with that message (although who knows if it’s even intentional on their part), and especially with the way it has been handled. Some shows can pull that off in a general sense because that view has been built in from the beginning or pull it off for specific characters if their particular story has always had that tragic failure involved. This hasn’t ever really committed to that idea, and there are enough characters who HAVE changed that it totally undoes any blanket statement that “no one can change, it’s hopeless to try, you are doomed from birth”.
i think they could have stood to do more but i think they put a visible amount of effort into what they did produce, regardless of if it's good
No offense, but it sounds like your friend isn't coming up with any opinions on their own but just parroting tired upvoted comments on reddit.
I'm sure it's been said somewhere, but I think they should have taken this the "Breaking Bad"/"Mad Men"/"Sopranos" route and done a split 6/6-episode run where the first half is the lead up to The Long Night and the second half is Cersei/Dany's ruin. They could easily massage out a lot of these problems that I'm not sure why they didn't do that.
D&D just wanted out ASAP. No point trying to get inside their heads about exactly why, but that’s the answer. Everyone else was on board but they held all the cards.
the thing is i have a fair amount of unfounded confidence that all of these plot choices have been in the oven for a while and even if they took four more episodes and a couple of months more time on them the decisions would still be dissatisfying, although perhaps to a lesser degree. i think this is pretty much what we were going to get regardless, it's not like the last two seasons weren't riddled with their own flaws
to be fair, the main Game of Thrones sub is largely alright. its /r/freefolk that's a bunch of shitty edgelords
r/freefolk is complete anarchy and honestly i have a certain amount of respect for that. the memes and posts are good, the subsequent comments are always terrible