I’d have to rewatch that scene to talk about the specifics more accurately. It certainly triggered the decision, but we’ll have to disagree on that being enough to make him run as fast as he can away from EVERYTHING in the space of one episode. But then of course that’s just getting back to talking in circles about the rushed execution being acceptable or not.
I'm not saying it wasn't rushed, it definitely was, I'm just saying that it didn't come out of nowhere. I think he was able to put everything about King's Landing out of his mind in the aftermath of surviving the battle, but hearing what Cersei did and knowing what that will make Daenerys do snapped him back to reality and made up his mind.
What do you take from Jon ignoring Tyrion when after telling him to stop the attack once the bells were rung? Did he have other orders direct from Daenerys? Was he originally okay with her sacking the city? I wouldn’t think so, just thinking back to the episode and remember that gave me pause.
Yeah, it’s just definitely rough for me to see them presenting that as his “reality” with a totally straight face after all of his great work for humanity in general and in his personal life. He also just doesn’t seem that conflicted about his decision throughout the entire episode, which isn’t an entirely an issue of the pacing but also the presentation. I really would love to see that fall back to his past fleshed out in a proper way.
What are you referencing exactly? I was under the impression that when they rang the bells and Grey Worm said fuck it and speared that guy Jon only continued fighting because he had to defend himself.
Jon tried to prevent that from happening but once the fighting started he had to defend himself. He even killed one of his own men who was about to rape that one girl. Nobody was listening to him at that point so all he could do was try to survive.
So I know Dany started killing innocent civilians to make a point, but why did her army start killing them too? That was the most shocking thing to me. I get the solders, even though they were unarmed, but to keep going on civilians was kind of over the top. A lot of those solders were from the North right? I guess they are just straight monsters as well minus Jon and Davos?
Jon wandering around a battle completely by himself and hopeless was the most in character thing that happened in the whole episode.
I’d like to also acknowledge how civil everyone is being in here when disagreeing. Reddit is a disaster (no surprise). They had to sticky a comment to the top of the thread to warn people not to tell others to kill themselves haha
Jaime actually did it to save the city, but everyone thinks he did it because Tywin turned sides, which Jaime didn’t know about. That’s why Ned, for example, doesn’t trust him and that’s in turn why Jaime leans into being a scumbag early in the show - if people are going to give him shit for the best thing he ever did, why even bother?
Didn’t Tyrion tell him before the battle even started that once the bells started ringing that he needed to stop the attack? And then Jon just kind of looks at him with this face Like “we’ll see what happens” @Anthony_ @Kyle Max
Yeah to me it definitely looked like Jon clearly made the choice to stop fighting as in stop attacking, but he's still in the middle of a raging battle and he defends himself when people come running up and try to kill him. Then he aslo makes the choice to kill that person who was about to rape that woman. But he's not attacking the city or it's inhabitants anymore.
There’s no way anyone who thinks this thread is bad has been over there. It’s like a room on fire and everyone is throwing chairs and screaming.
The dothraki are used to sacking and pillaging and raping as a way of conquering cities. The Unsullied follow Grey Worm and Daenerys, so once she started killing civillians they did too. As for the northerners, I just assumed they got caught up in the bloodlust of it all.
If that was what that look signified, it was probably a "we'll see what Daenerys does" not "we'll see what I do" lol. Like "that's a nice sentiment but she's the one who has to stick by it."
I find myself heavily disagreeing with a lot of opinions here, however, not once did I ever think anyone was being "rude" or "bad." I like to think the same goes for all my comments!
I like Jon and think he's done pretty damn well considering the shit hand he was dealt over and over and over again.