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it should've been a literal royal rumble as in it should've been a pay per view event on WWE channel or wahtever the hell channel thats on

 

I think Nathan nailed it when he said the problem was they didn't dramatize that decision at all. They spent a lot of time on his initial possible redemption and how he had to be convinced and learn and have all these new experiences to possibly become a different person and then they reversed it in one 5 minute scene

 

I went back and watched that moment just now and the bolts are clearly coming from three different angles. Also there's a delay between the first one (that Euron fired) and the second two (that hit Rhaegal while he's struggling to stay airborne and clearly unable to maneuver away from them).

 

This killed me

 

yeah like it's a fantasy show i'm okay with real world physics not being a thing when we have fucking dragons and shit, but they can't even have consistent world building and in world logic within two successive episodes

 

we waited 8 years for Cersei to be killed by a bunch of rocks

 

I will give you that that is better than what I was thinking, which was that Euron shot them all.

 

Until literally just now I didn't know people out there thought Euron fired all 3 of those shots at Rhaegal.

I had assumed from the get go that 3 different ships fired

 

I also think it's worth noting that every time a dragon has seen projectiles coming/known what they were, the dragon has dodged them and survived. The only two times a dragon was mortally wounded, they were surprised/ambushed. So there's clear precedent for the dragons being able to easily dodge projectiles when they're ready for them/have a rider to guide them.

 

It could just be me haha

 

Maybe 'snapping' is diving too much into semantics here, but to me it would generally indicate a loss of control and rationale. I don't think Dany lost control, it'd basically been her stated preference to nuke the joint and govern from there. There was enough premeditation and reasoning behind what she wanted to do that I can't argue it was insanity or even a huge departure behaviorally.

The coin flip stuff I just took to mean that the Targaryens have generally been a mixed bag in summation, not so much that they all teeter on the same edge. Varys clearly knew what Dany was already and his last words were basically that he hoped he was wrong. If you wanted to take the coin flip thing in a more literal sense odds-wise, then he really shouldnt have felt strongly one way or the other.

 

lol idk man, it explains why so many people are as fixated on that scene as they are for the 'unrealistic'ness of it. I thought the Dany not seeing the ships part was a little lame but I was never mad at the accuracy/rate of fire because i just assumed a dragon flying in a straight line+3 different shooters, and Iwasn't sure what everyone was so up in arms about with it haha

 

That criticism has always been incredibly weak.

 

This thread lol if only Cersei’s army defended the city the way some people in here defend this show from legitimate, thoughtful, well-constructed criticism

Edit: not referring to the posts above, just more generally about the last 30 pages I just caught up on from the last two episodes

 

Ouch

 

I think the dragon getting shot isn’t the issue, it’s that she was literally in the sky and got surprised by them and then D&D saying she forgot the fleet existed.

 

Yeah but why wouldn't Dany and the dragon just fuck up the ships right then and there if it was that easy for them? Makes no sense that they would back off and let the ships take out Dany's ships and kidnap her bff.

 

Their foot-in-mouth syndrome doesn't change what's actually in the episode though. When they make their plans at Winterfell they are clearly operating from the assumption that the Iron Fleet would be permanently stationed in Blackwater Bay. She didn't "forget they existed" so much as she thought they wouldn't leave the city undefended.

 

For me I think the compressed timeline and the rushed pace of everything makes it feel like whiplash where the Scorpions all of a sudden are POWERFUL AF and can take out a dragon and a whole fleet of ships easily, but then the next episode they can't really do anything and a dragon takes out literally every single last one of them.

I know I sound like a broken record but most of my main complaints are with how fast everything is happening and not so much what is happening per se.

 

The visceral shock of losing a second dragon and her snap decision in the moment to retreat and save her last one before they could kill it too.

 

See this just comes off to me as defending bad writing. If the reasoning works for you though, more power to you.

 

Jaime spent the whole episode literally sprinting backwards through his own arc. The rush to show him doing such an about face and throwing away all he’s done (and especially his views on saving or killing innocent people) makes me so sad. That is one of the best examples of pacing meaning the difference between something being incredibly tragic or just whiplash-inducing and disappointing. We talked about that and how it entered into the development of his relationship with Brienne, but I didn’t expect it to be so true for his story as a whole.

 

The “I don’t really care for the innocent” line after he becomes King Slayer for defending the innocent. Woof.

 

But she's the mother of dragons. They're her children. You think it's unrealistic that in that moment she'd be conflicted over whether to put her last surviving child in danger and choose to retreat instead?

 

Yeah, that's not very convincing to me. The next day she just flew straight at the fleet so she clearly wasn't so worried they could kill her dragon to even come up with a clever plan.