This x 1000%. Couldn't agree more and the last part about Leia and Chewie was a good comparison to my thoughts on the scene.
I don’t know if I’m emotionally prepared for another rewatch of that show. I’m still healing from the last season.
I’m also not prepared but that hasn’t stopped me. Lol. Every time I start one I’m like, “Why am I doing this to myself?!” And then it’s amazing and I remember why.
Alright, gave it a bit more thought and here's the director's cut, final draft version of my uberdaddy GoT theory. Hold onto your big boy handles, its time to let'er rip: So I have a gut feeling a lot of brutal moments will happen next week. Possibly a level of tragedy we haven't seen since the Red Wedding. I also wonder if I haven't figured out how the show ends (no, I have not read the leaks!). Basically I think the major deaths will happen like this: Arya learns that Jamie turncoated to the Lannisters again. Thing is, Jamie is ACTUALLY planning to kill, or at least stop, Cersei. But there's just no way he could possibly convince anyone of that with the possible exception of Brienne, and he already kinda told her he was going back to King's Landing in a way that suggests he just wants to hook up with Cersei again, not stop her. So Arya, ninja that she is, eavesdrops on a conversation and hears about this. I don't know what exactly will spark her decision to assassinate him but I think something will happen and she will find an understandable enough reason from her perspective to kill him. So she does. Taking advantage of this, she then claims his face. Maybe the reasons come down to Jamie isn't trustworthy enough + using his face can be a checkmate move to get the drop on Cersei and kill her, winning the war completely this time. Before the battle, she rides to King's Landing, arriving there a day before the troops. She walks into the gate with ease, but due to the events surrounding Jamie's departure she has trouble getting into direct contact with Cersei and her circle. She stealths her way inside as the battle begins. Once inside, she manages to sneak into Cersei's quarters. She fools Cersei into thinking she's Jamie at first. A psychological cat and mouse game ensues. In the end, she bodies Cersei. Cersei cries out something like, "the prophecy WAS true! Why Jamie?" At that point Arya removes her Jamie mask and says, "My name is not Jamie." A few seconds after it seems like the war is over and Arya is home free, the Mountain enters the room. I'm not sure if there will be a fight or if he simply gets the drop on her, but it will end the same way: a disgustingly gruesome death for Arya. The tragic irony being that her occasionally excessive ruthlessness (I mean she didn't necessarily HAVE to put needle into that guy's neck or murder everyone in House Frey to feed them to Walder before cutting his throat, just sayin'), righteous as it was, ended up catching up to her. And let's face it, her character arc mostly palindrome'd when she killed the night king, a personification of death, and saved Winterfell. Death catches up to everyone, and there would be some tragic poetic irony with her being killed by Gregor in his current state. Not only a zombie, a kind of personification of death, but one of the names at the top of her kill list. But Arya will not go quietly into that cold night - her character arc heavily centers on telling death to fuck off, and that's more or less exactly what her last words to zombie Clegane will be as she stabs a certain Valyrian steel dagger into his head. But, being a zombie, not to mention being extremely hard to kill even while fully alive, it's not a killing blow to him. He is still a threat. Cut to The Hound. He learns of Arya's death. And he learns that it was The Mountain who killed her. He finds The Mountain. He also finds The Mountain is carrying a large torch as a weapon. He also notices that the Mountain is approaching Sansa (not sure why she would be in Kings Landing again, but maybe it will still play out that way for whatever reason). He fights with himself for a moment before putting into action what he knows he must do. Cleganebowl begins. Both monstrous men engage in a primal battle. The Mountain is more powerful than ever and seemingly as unstoppable as a literal mountain in his attempts to close in on Sansa. The Hound gets FUCKED up every time he tries to attack/stop him. But in the end, however he does it, he manages to slay the monster that's haunted him since childhood. But he's mortally wounded. Sansa thanks him, and in his final moments he says something to the effect of "now fly away little bird". and closes his eyes, dying a noble death. These are the character deaths that I feel somewhat most certain about. It's GoT though, and that stuff tends to be unpredictable so I could be wrong. But I think, for these characters at least, it would be a pretty meaningful way for them to go out. I also think Jon and Dany will die. Mainly because, important as they are, realistically their behavior during combat is often just too fuckin' stupid for them to keep living through all these battles lol. I don't know how they will die, but my guess is Dany will lose the plot by letting her emotions get the best of her and Jon will do something that's as selfless as it is reckless and both will play a significant role in winning the battle before its over. Alright, now the ending. Basically among the survivors there will be Tyrion, Sansa, Bran and Varys. They destroy the throne (which we learn is the "wheel" that Dany was referring to). All that corruption, abuse of power, all of the betrayal, mass killings, the brutality and chaos in Westeros, all of that madness has been cycling because of that throne and what it represents. They destroy it and begin a new counsel in the memory of Jon and Dany and everyone else who fought for this moment. It will be a hym for those loved ones lost in the war and for a new beginning. A song of ice and fire, you might say! Kaboom!
That’s basically a mix split down the middle between what I expect to happen and what would shake me from apathy into actual anger, nothing in between. Arya killing Jaime because of some kind of West Side Story nonsense and then taking his face so the last time he sees his sister on screen it isn’t actually him is near the top of my list of what would make me tear my hair out.
Yeah I can't quite think of what would truly motivate her to kill him as of now. It would probably have to be for a better reason than that tbh.
Welp. I guess it's possible she could still cross paths with Jamie on the way to King's Landing though. Maybe he gets killed by someone or something else, and when she sees his corpse she gets the idea to use his face to her advantage when she gets there. Even though they left on bad terms, if there's one person Cersei truly DOESN'T want to kill, someone she would let her guard down to, it's probably Jamie.
I was very positive (prior to episode 3) that Arya would make it through the show but since she did kill the NK some part of me thinks she might end up being killed via some ridiculous way. The Mountain is a viable option. Wildfire might be another if she’s trapped in the city and they decide to go that route and someone blows it up.
This gives me a thought....maybe the impetus for Jon to kill Dany isn’t just that she’s going mad queen, but that she’s doing it while Arya is in the city. Like he finds that out and decides he has to end it.
The Wire is miles better than Breaking Bad and The Shield, why would you go around posting this? Edit: I didn't read the prior posts where these other shows were discussed, I just thought I would write this funny (to me) response to you posting about three shows completely unrelated to GOT in this thread. I wasn't trying to be flippant, you like what you like. Although The Wire is objectively better in almost every way
Now that you mention it I bet Wildfire is more likely to be the source of fire that Sandor might have to contend with there.
Kind of the same for me. I’ve watched the first 2 seasons of The Wire and the first season of The Sopranos and have no urge / desire to finish them out. They’re good, at times great, but nothing that pulls me in or demands I continue.
I just rewatched next week’s promo (mostly because some idiots on twitter swear Euron looks shocked bc there’s another dragon LOL) and noticed that The Golden Company are 100% escorting a prisoner in that quick shot. And Euron looks like he’s staring up at clouds and the sun and is realizing Drogon is about to burn the ever living hell out of his ships. People are wild
Ditto those who think The Wire is overrated. Soprano’s took me forever to watch, but it’s so incredible. Only knock on it is that it can feel dated at times. Breaking Bad remains my favorite, but there is some straight up cartoon hijinks in some spots that I was never able to look over. Thrones suffers from lazy writing often, but overall is a quality product. That’s all I have haha.
Sopranos did such an incredible job of referencing current trends for the time that STAYED relevant, so it’s shockingly less dated than one would reasonably expect. BB I really loved and still enjoy thinking back on, but it definitely fell down in some ways like you said. I really wish the writing for Skyler had been better within the actual narrative, for example.
Just comparing all of the writing elements of BB and The Wire, I don't know how you can even argue they're on the same level. The depth of the interrelated themes of economic desperation, drug addiction/dealing, and law enforcement in The Wire still inspires serious inspection, outrage, and empathy in politics and culture. There was a class in my law school that just looked at the legal and policy implications of various stories in the Wire. Breaking Bad just gets silly when you examine it on a serious level.
Breaking Bad is more fun to watch because it's full of cliffhangers and funny characters and is probably the best pulp fiction television I've seen. And there's nothing wrong with that. The Wire had a very different goal and achieved it by pretty much every standard.
I think they leaned way too hard on hysterical wife at points. Like, was she not supposed to be bullshit he was running a meth empire? And then they would randomly flirt with her “breaking bad” only to back track constantly. It’s almost as if they couldn’t decide what to do with her, so they just have her chain smoke and act angry towards the end. God bless Anna Gunn though. She should be in more.
Yeeeeeppppp. Most of the worst misogyny directed at her was the fault of the fans themselves, but they could have absolutely avoided a fair amount of it by actually making her as strong a character as the rest of them.
Don't wights explode/evaporate along with the white walker who brought them back? When the NK was killed, shouldn't that have happened to a lot of the people we saw being burned at the beginning of Ep4, including Lyanna and Edd? I heard this brought up in a podcast and am wondering if I'm missing something. Didn't think about it when I saw it.
Walt and Jesse were the only two with actual character development, and Walt’s character arc bordered on comical at points. I honestly believe Better Call Saul is the better show, maybe not for exciting plot points, but I believe they’ve done better with Saul then they ever did with Walter White.