They can be realistic about it without resorting to the same terrible dialogue that’s been done to death in like six scenes, with countless more if we include just the eunuch jokes by themselves.
I think I audibly said, "Oh, give me a break" when it got to that point. Only downside to what was otherwise a pretty flawless scene. It's one thing to bring that up if/when the entire realm knows about Jon's claim, but they don't yet, and Varys is essentially talking about using the fact that Jon is a man to help bring the common folk to his cause over Dany's claim if it were to get to that point. I get that Varys's m.o. has never been about a specific gender sitting on the throne and more who would be the best ruler. And I can't disagree at this moment that I think Jon would be a better ruler than Dany or Cersei, but just the way it came about and how close to the end we are was a really big bummer to me.
Yeah Varys is definitely saying that having a cock matters because as a male heir it makes Jon more legitimate in the eyes of most of the country, and specifically the high lords and ladies. Westerosi law honors make heirs before female ones except in Dorne, iirc.
That’s how Varys and Tyrion talk to each other lol it’s been like that since the beginning of the series.
Yeah, honestly, I'm not upset about them having the conversation. If you know that there is another male out there with a very strong claim, I get that it's going to come up in the conversation when discussing those things. That's the reality of the world they're living in. But it felt as if Varys was leaning more into this notion of, "Well, Jon is a man, so we can use that specifically to win people to his side." Again, he's not wrong, but just felt like the wrong character and the wrong timing in relation to how close we are to the end. And yeah, if the conversation had fewer mentions of cocks in it, it probably wouldn't have felt like such a slap in the face to what I have always interpreted as a larger picture trait of George's story (which, admittedly, D&D may not even personally acknowledge)
Rewatching the episode for the first time and just noticed that during the scene between Sansa and The Hound you can clearly see Pod in the background picking up two girls and walking away with them haha.
People are seriously offended by Tyrion and Varys’s conversation? They were ruefully acknowledging a pragmatic truth, which both seemed to realize was fundamentally unjust. It’s not like they were making dick jokes and high fiving each other to own the libs. Jfc
I’m sure this has already been discussed but I’m ok with them not showing the reactions of Arya and Sansa when Jon tells them, we know what they’re going to be and it’s more important what they do with the information. It seemed weirder to me that they didn’t show Missandei being captured. Also I hope next episode Dany figures out that she can just...fly behind the ships to avoid the crossbows.
Not offended, it’s just one of the worst things they do in the dialogue and it’s so so played out. The conversation was good besides that part. It was the same when Jaime and Bronn did it almost word for word a season or two ago.
This is super random, but apparently that unnamed soldier that’s been in tons of episodes wasn’t the wight like everyone thought because he’s in the background in 4 again. Maybe he’s the one true king?
The wight actually looked IDENTICAL to a friend of mine and he even posted it on FB, so I was curious if that was meant to be the same guy or not. I’m very pleased that it wasn’t because that’s such a funny background event. Also this is up now. It starts a little less hilarious than the last few in my opinion, but there is some GREAT stuff in the middle. Everything with Tyrion and Varys is classic.
It’s just some guy who hasn’t had any lines but has been in the background at like Winterfell for a ton of episodes. Usually has one of those funny helmets on. I think it’s become a little joke to the fans who try and spot him each time.
Just wanted to pop in here and let you know that I'm truly horrified after watching that red wedding episode. I'll see myself out once again.
I remember the guy who plays Jaime saying the ending was perfect and I just don’t see how it can be lol. Even the (IMO) most likely ending of Jon being on the throne isn’t gonna appease everyone lol
I listened to some interviews with him and I feel like his excitement has a lot to do with the fact that he ships Jaime with Brienne more than anybody. Lol. I hope he is actually satisfied with his arc and isn’t just playing it up for the press.
If the last shot of the entire show was Cersei sipping wine while watching all her destruction ... I'd scream in pure joy. She's incredible.
It’s a shame that they cut so much of her out this season. I get that it was to show how separate that battle would be, but she’s just too good and there was such a long gap without seeing her at all. I’m sure she’ll be in a ton of the next two, which will help. She needs a few more amazing scenes before it’s all done.