I said it earlier, but that scene with Jaime leaving is a classic example of writing something solely to leave the audience in the dark. They could have had him tell her why he was going and still have her be against it because their relationship has changed, but they obviously want his state of mind to be a secret above anything else. If they actually intended it to be him giving up on redemption and life without her, that would be his complete undoing as a character. And I hope they wouldn’t blow it THAT hard.
I just strongly disagree that all of that stuff wasn’t incredibly pervasive throughout the show the whole time. I rewatched the entire show recently as well, and I definitely feel like I missed this nuance and tact that you’re talking about
To show us how absolutely conflicted and messed up he is. He’s going back at this moment to save/fight alongside her ... but he’s going to get there and realize what is right and it’s not her.
Honestly I really didn’t think the Jamie scene was meant to be ambiguous. It was pretty obvious to me he wants to take her down, and Brienne fears for his life. Thus pleading for him to stay. Just how I saw it.
pretty sure Balerion the Dread as at least 2x the size of Drogon when he melted Harrenhal. Jamie 100% is going down there to kill Cersei, believes he’ll die in the process, and doesn’t want Brienne to mourn him because he doesn’t think he’s a good person deserving of someone’s love.
Well I mean the fact that you saw it one way and half this thread took it to mean the opposite has to mean something as far as its clarity goes. I agree that that’s what he was saying, but it was a very roundabout way that left them in an odd place.
I gotta say, I really don’t like Brienne and Jaime hooking up like that. Their entire relationship felt like mutual admiration and respect among peers and not based on love or physical attraction. And it happened while they were both super drunk. Idk, felt sloppy and totally unearned.
Jaime straight up ditched Cersei. I always took that to be the final straw between them. The only way I can rationalize him going back to her was that they intended to convey “Jaime wants to fight in the north because he swore to do so and he knows that if they lose there then all hope is lost, but if they defeat that threat then the game is still on and he’s still loyal to Cersei.” Which is of course absurd. So him going back to kill her is the only thing that makes narrative sense, but that scene definitely failed to properly convey that imo
Yeah I’m still 50/50 on it. On one hand it just drives the fact Jamie is changed for the better because of her, and loves her for it. On the other hand there’s been 0 sexual/romantic relationship between them before so it was very out of place.
I think the love and attraction itself was earned, but the way they made it happen was super bizarre. Like Tyrion bringing something up that upset her so much she left the party and then Jaime decides THAT’S how he’s going to go for it? Complete with, “Oh wow, is it hot in here?” I get that he is not smooth with any woman who isn’t his sister, but that sequence of events is not at aaaallll how I expected their plot to move forward. It was kind of like when Sam and Gilly got together and it made sense for the characters but they had it happen RIGHT after those creeps threatened her which left it with a super weird vibe.
I didn’t in any way interpret Jaime’s monologue as him saying he wants to go back and be with Cersei at the end.
I actually think he was getting hot because he was both drunk and extremely nervous. Like he was having a near anxiety attack trying to figure out how to get this girl to kiss him lol
the lead up to it was clumsy as hell but giving Brienne a love plot is the only good thing these writers have ever done tbh