I'm gonna have to re-read Dance because I really don't remember Jon being that grey. You guys pointed out baby swap to me earlier in the thread but I don't even remember that being some terrible thing. He was basically trying to protect a baby. | IDK....I feel like, much like the show, a lot of the actions he took could be morally supported pretty easily, even if in that world they were pretty bad (i.e. betraying the Night's Watch to bring in wildlings, etc)
Also I'm now doing research and realizing that Maege is in fact Lyanna's mom, so Jorah truly is her cousin. Dacey was Maege's oldest daughter. Lyanna is the youngest though so in show world, she was definitely the last Mormont. (In book world, Maege is not in attendance at the Red Wedding because she was given a special mission by Robb before it happened, so she is presumably still alive but Lyanna is the Lady on Bear Island still in Dance because she replies to Stannis' request for loyalty)
Was bringing Jon Snow back from the dead just a show thing because he's so popular and well liked? Did they kill him off following the books but then bring him back when they decided they had to go off on their own with the writing?
Jon's story in the books has ended at Season 5 Episode 10 as of right now. I think most people just assume he's coming back because they've all figured out he's truly a main character at this point. I think Lady Mel is currently at Castle Black when it happens in the books but I can't remember.
They also change who deals the killing blow and it's so much god damn harder to take. Fuck Ollie, that kid was always a shit.
Just watched the episode. Not sure if I like that the Night King is already dead. It was cool that Arya killed him, though.
You mean in the show? YEah that was rough. In the books I don't even think they tell you the names of the people who stab him besides Alliser, right?
I know that builder guy was one of them in the books but I could've sworn Edd was the one to do it in the books.
Bowen Marsh is the leader of the group actually It’s implied that he wargs into ghost so doesn’t really “die” The baby swap is a big one, his sendoff of Sam is a lot less genial in the books than the show, and he doesn’t get killed for letting the wildlings through, but for compromising the neutrality of the watch by effectively siding with Stannis, sending Mance Rayder to winterfell, and intending to ride to battle with Ramsey after getting the pink letter I don’t remember this one tbh
True, he was getting involved in the politics of Westeros....though if he did that in the show, do you think that would have made him seen as a lot less hero-y to the average watchers? I don’t think they would have cared that much honestly.
This was established. Bran is the world's memory, the NK wants to erase memory and man from the world to make the Long Night. I'm 99% sure we'll see something like this next episode. There are still 3 episodes. There was never any proof that it was going to be a "prince", it was clearly established that there was no gender specific pronoun in Valyrian, so it could have been a princess as well. And she's been training with her left hand since the beginning of the show because Arya is left-handed, but Maisie is right-handed.
That's an awful reason to make decisions for this show lol. Even if they didn't they should and the show should be trying to get them to
I had to look up who Bowen Marsh was and I imagine I will need to do that another thousand times if I'm ever able to read TWOW
I was hoping to meet Howland Reed this season. Figured him and Meera would head to Winterfell. I hope this doesn’t mean they’re dead
Man, they also changed the whole plot line with alys karstark’s marriage too, which is a wild one I can’t imagine we meet howland reed now, with 3 episodes left
I just think in the books, it was a lot easier to see Jon's reasoning and to sympathize with it, and I don't know if there was much they could have done to make Jon seem somehow "bad" in the show other than directing Kit to act like a total Dick when he says/decides things haha. But in the books you're in Jon's head and even though it's "wrong" honor-wise, the reader can still more or less understand why he's doing it. It's like everything people wish Ned would have done for the right reasons even if it wasn't 'honorable"
for what it's worth, the location of House Reed is south of Winterfell I think, so they're probably all fine
THough I should add that obviously I wish they did the North storyline as intricate as it was in the books, with Bael The Bard and Jon getting the Pink Letter pre-ressurection and the Grand Northern Conspiracy and etc....obviously that would have been better than what we got. But I don't necessarily think it would have made Jon less of a 'good guy' in most people's eys because they'd pretty much all agree with his actions, or at least the reasons for his actions.