The series ends with Jon on the throne with one of the dragons left. Sam walks up to him in the throne room and asks him for a favor. Cut to: Sam and Jon on Rhaegal at the Citadel. Sam shouts "Here's your proof, fuckers" as Jon roasts them all alive while a sick metal riff wails in the background. The final shot of the series is the two of them flying toward the setting sun, with a freeze frame on Sam punching the air.
A big part of me really always thought The Night King was going to defeat everyone and be the last one standing.
Jon will 100% have a more climactic moment than he did in this past episode. The directors said that they felt it would be cheap to have Jon be the savior (again) and be able to get through all of Winterfell to run in and save the day. It would've been cheap and too predictable. The feeling of grief really set in when he got pinned behind the rock and the Night King was clearly reaching Bran before anyone else was. I kinda did suspend my beliefs of what was gonna happen and say to myself "What if he does succeed here?" and we'd see him leave with a few survivors left in the rubble to chase them to KL. You're right they did, I totally forgot. Still only Melisandre who really harped on it the whole show though. On top of that, I take it she recognizes the missteps and how she was very wrong consistently with what she thought would happen and her decisions (Marching on Winterfell, Stannis in general, sacrificing Shireen, needing to kill Gendry). Her later visions in the fire I feel made it clear she was realizing she misinterpreted things. Showing up to the battle fully understanding her purpose and what she really saw is what I got from this episode. She was redeemed and fulfilling her purpose and I loved. Screamed when she lit the moat on fire.
Jon Snow: - Alerts the masses to the White Walker threat - Saves the Wildlings - Rebuilds a northern army - Leads the victory over the Boltons to reclaim Winterfell - Brings Dany into the fold - Leads the battle against the Army of the Dead - Finds out he's actually just as much a Targ with a claim to the throne as he is a Stark If Jon ultimately ends up dead, or decides to go retire to that cave he and Ygritte got down in next Sunday, I don't know how you can say he was inconsequential to the end game. No matter how the end game comes to, all of that stuff plays a major factor in the way this shakes out, both for Jon personally and a lot of other characters
I don't really see how anyone can say he wasn't extremely important even if he literally does nothing else .
good thing...no one said that ok i kind of did, but i meant its what made other characters (mostly melisandre) think he was so important. its the reason he was revived, and the reason she attached herself to stannis earlier, etc
Yeah, like Jon definitely did important shit and if he wants to just walk away and be like "fuck this" he still is very essential to the pay off of the show. I just don't want him to not have any part in what's to come because I like his character and I've been watching him forever, I guess. And again, I don't know how they're gonna pull off whatever they have in store so who knows how I'll feel about it when it's all said and done
In the books we only know of two more that I can think of, Lyannas mother and her Grandmother, who is Jeor’s sister and Jorah’s aunt. So Lyanna is technically Jorah first cousin once removed. I think. But, anyway, we only saw one of those ladies at Robb’s crowning (Maege). In the book one of them, I believe Dacey, Maege’s daughter, was present at the Red Wedding. I don’t remember if we saw her in the show there.
That like ominous clicking/whatever the fuck you want to call it that was playing when the wights were completely RAVAGING everything gave me such Return of the Living Dead vibes.
Your read of Jon is way off. I don't think he has ever though he is important. He is constantly being told by everyone around him that he's important to varying degrees. Whether or not Jon Snow fulfills some sort of prophecy and ascends to Jesus-like deity status changes nothing about his worth. That's sort of a core theme of this entire series: Cripples, bastards, and broken things all have a role to play.
It's all based on that, in the books. The show has deviated plenty of times, in some ways better than others, and at the end of the show right now I don't feel that prophecy as the driving force of the show. The series adaptation has continued to remain more grounded than the books even after where they ended. Also we have 3 episodes left and 2 books which will both stand on their own merits i'm sure. He's 100% not gonna match the show that would be absurd.
I just want all the survivors in a big meeting where Dany’s like, “Ok y’all, here’s the battle plan. Get ready because this is the big one! For all the marbles!” and everybody just looks around for a while and then leaves. It definitely won’t happen of course, but it would be so satisfying after what they’ve been through to just not care one single bit and go have a nap.
The legends/requirements about PTWP have to be more metaphorical than literal. I mean, if it were literal, it would have to be Daenerys, because Melisandre says "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone." in ADWD and she's obviously the only one that applies to lol
In show world I think as of right now we have to assume it is. Lyanna was head of the house which means, presumably, her mother (Dacey) and her Grandmother (Maege) are both dead. (and, in the show, I think they might have just cut Dacey out all together and said Maege was Lyanna's mother) So unless there's a cousin or bastard or etc somewhere out there, I don't think there are any more Mormonts :'(
The Mormonts are my favorite House easily. The Starks are cool, but Jorah was an early on favorite and Lyanna/Jeor were both no bullshit leaders unswayed by confrontation.
This is not an original opinion but this episode really felt like the best bits of The Walking Dead at times.
Don't think I ever said that he thought he was important? or that it determines his worth?? its just that the show led viewers to believe that he was possibly *the* definitively most important character - a literal prophecized savior - because of the prophecies, and then he just wasn't. the prophecy is the driving force of the show in the sense that it foretold the coming of the dead and their desire to create the long night, and who would defeat them and what would indicate their awakening and coming invasion, and the reawakening of dragons etc...its pretty central. and I'm not saying the books will follow the show 100% at all, I just said I think Arya (or someone not Jon Snow or Young Griff or other theorized Azor Ahai/ptwp) will kill the Night King and the prophecies and fan theories will end up having not been accurate in the books either
I agree with whoever it was that said the Night King smirking when he didn’t get burnt was cringe-levels of corny
Lol yeah she’s like “Okay now that we’re done with that nonsense, time to get ready for what really matters” Then she gets the s2 Theon treatment