i mean it doesn't automatically make it *good* but makes it perfectly in line with the theme of the series. and people definitely are not getting it, look at these tweets Twitter
It's all stories, it's all bullshit. It's pretty cool to see. It's like one of my own personal theories about this world: that the Lord of Light was originally created to hide the fact that his "followers" were practicing blood magic. The whole religion started as, essentially, propaganda to sanitize what they were doing and prevent them from being hunted down and eradicated.
Depends....it's also important because it makes Jon the true heir and king of the seven kingdoms. Obviously the Azor Ahai/prince who was promised stuff is part of it but....It could also go down that way in the books where he really is the one to kill the Night King.. In the show, they've really made the Prince Who Was Promised stuff a very small side note, just something that followers of R'hllor believe, so it was a bit easier for them to ignore it and just have one of the badasses in the show be the one to kill the Night King. I will say that Jon being so inconsequential in the Battle for the Dawn makes me think even more that he will have a huge roll in the fight for the Iron Throne and will ultimately end up King.
I don't think ptwp is much more prevalent in the books? its not like its a folk legend for the whole world or whatever, pretty sure its still just rhllor followers. But, really, do we think King Aegon "Jon "Snow" Stark" Targaeryn of the Seven Kingdoms is a reasonable outcome? is he gonna contest the throne, do we really think that? I don't think that has any chance of happening tbh
If anything he's going to be forced on the throne by default. Like Daenerys dies or something and he has no choice. Jon just isn't the kind of character who thirsts for power. The power he has had, he only wanted to help the people he cares about (the Night's Watch, Winterfell). Also he was raised by Ned Stark so of course he'd find any kind of skullduggery against Daenerys dishonorable.
it would rule if i just said it has no chance of happening and then my expectations are subverted and it ends with him winning lol, that would be sick
It's been a while since I've read, but I feel like I remember it being mentioned more often in the books because Dany knows about it earlier. In the show, Dany doesn't really know a damn thing about it until Mel shows up in Season 7 and says it. In the books, she has the whole vision with Rhaegar and the quote about "he is the ptwp, and his song is the song of ice and fire", etc. They've really watered down Rhaegar's influence on everything for the show and what we know about him to the point where the only people I think we've ever actually heard bring up the prophecy is Lady Mel and the other Red Priestesses in Volantis. Also, while Jon might not want it, I think he's got a LOT of Ned in him when it comes to honor, and if it is his duty to be the King and be a just ruler, he'll do it out of duty.
Yeah I think Jon kinda ends up on it and gets another title he didn't want anything to do with and he's like "aw FUCK" I don't think I'd be shocked at a Dany death at this point, maybe I would, I don't know. Dipshit Euron will probably get someone (I honestly thought he'd die very early on)
If Jon ends up not even being important and doesn't even do anything in the endgame of this, I'll be a little pissed. I don't care if it's subverting or whatever, or if it matches the tone of expecting the unexpected that we've come to know with this show, I don't want a major character since episode one just going to the wayside because why not lol I don't think that'll happen, but still. I am just really excited to see next week's episode and how we move on from here. So many questions!!!
Yeah, if i'm trying to do my best to recall, I can't really think of anyone who said Azor's name in the show once besides Melisandre. I'm pretty sure she only did so like twice at the most, but I could be wrong. "The prince that was promised" I don't recall being said ever though it could've been?
The only time it was said in the show, as far as I can remember, is Lady Mel saying Stannis was the Prince who was Promised to him once or twice, and then again when she repeats it to Dany in Season 7 and they have Missandei say that technically that word in valyrian doesn't have a gender so it could be prince OR princess.
They had that whole awkward discussion about the gender of the person in the prophecy and it not being a perfect translation.
Can we at least go back to this? We know it's happening now and we know who it's gonna be (Dany or Jon)
Dying didn’t make Ned unimportant, it just made him.... dead. Jon coming back and failing upwards again and again and still just being some random pouty kid at the end of the day would be incredible.
Yeah the dragons going at it was wild. I'm totally just projecting my feelings onto them but I still feel so bad for Viserion and now I feel bad for Drogon and Rhaegal that they had to fight their brother and try to kill him. Still me whenever I've seen Viserion since last season:
i gotta say i dont really understand guys, regardless of how much they said it, its the source of the legend about the long night, the living dead, the night king, the reviving people, all of melisandre's powers, is based on the azor ahai/ptwp prophecies its not that it would make jon pointless, it just makes him not the prophecized savior/most important person ever
Hopefully the last scene is at the Citadel and the maesters are just roasting Sam again. “WHERES THE PROOF SAM????” Sam just drops a bag of ice on the table. Roll credits
I should clarify; I don't care if Jon isn't the PTWP or whatever, but if he just ends up being completely inconsequential to the end game for the sake of having it be that way, that'll upset me. We've watched Jon for 8 seasons now and despite the fact that a lot of people don't like him, a lot of us do, and it would feel cheap if that just didn't matter because "lol whatever" like I said. But I don't know how this ends, I don't know how I'll feel about it whatever way they do it. It's a bit too early to tell I suppose, they can definitely pull off any ending I don't see coming if it's done well I guess