Finch Band • Page 43

If we're talking about a band like Finch, no it's not? Their album was accepted in the pop punk community in the same way. It is not a traditional pop punk album by any means.

 

idk what version of wiitb youre jamming, i hear pop punk tropes all over that bad boy, but i was referring to thrice there not finch, my bad

 

Clearly no longer a productive conversation. I think my history with the genre and albums involved is pretty well established that I kinda know what I'm talking about. So, whatever. Enjoy.

 

"this album doesnt sound like pop punk"

"what do you mean i hear it pretty plainly"

"this conversation is not productive anymore i know more than you"

lmao damn right this isnt a productive conversation anymore

 

All I know is 'Souls for Sale' playing at 1.1x speed sounds so great. Leaving this song unreleased is criminal!

 

Playing Souls at 1.1x sounds stellar! I imagine that’s what a proper final product would sound like anyways.

It’s a bummer we got Oblivion but not WOV or Phantasma (properly produced) when Oblivion is very easily the weakest of the three ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

This isn't a productive comment, but

Jason is right

 

Nah

 

All I have to say to Jason is: @1:36

imagine not liking this haha oof

 

I don't think extreme feedback from someone's Sidekick in 2008 is going to be the thing that convinces me.

 

Yea, that’s a terrible example if you’re trying to prove the quality of something.

 

casket is their best song full stop but its uh not really the song id use to attempt to convert a wiitb devotee

 

I got into WIITB back in the day because that's when I was starting to branch out of just punk/pop punk and was listening to more screaming music. Bands like Finch, The Used, Grade, and a couple others helped bridge the gap to stuff that was even more screamy/artsy/etc. But a lot of that stuff wasn't for me. Just because SHTS was harder and more artsy (for lack of a better description), it just wasn't for me. I blame it more on the songs just not touching me the same as other stuff from that genre was, and not on "Finch should only be pop punk" (which I never considered them to be in the first place.) To me, Finch was an early 2000s post hardcore band with more general accessibility (aka catchy melodies and whatnot.)

But I have given SHTS another listen in recent years, and "Insomniatic Meat" and "Brother Bleed Brother" stood out to me. So that's something.

 

i do also own that my biggest core value in my favorite bands is reinvention, expansion, and evolution, so idgaf about what literally any band is "supposed to sound like". one of my top 5 albums ever is achtung fuckin baby lmao

but yeah i mean theres nothing wrong with the songs just not resonating with you as much, its just the framing of ones own songwriting preferences as an objective truth that i find a little silly

 

I dunno, I feel like "Finch made a pop-punk album" is far more objective framing then the same people that have been talking about the follow-up together for twenty years saying "yeah, we still don't like it."

 

i just thought the lyrics were appropriate, im done trying to convert anyone to like finch's weirder stuff

 

well what i surmised from this is you draw the line at what is pop punk and what is post hardcore differently than i do and thats okay

 

OK, now I'm gonna listen to SHTS and remind myself what it sounds like

 

Eh, I kinda think genres and how we describe stuff matters. We've expanded emo to be far wider that it originally was for all kinds of bands and pop-punk itself can cast a very wide net. But calling something a pop-punk album does still mean something if we think words mean things. And Finch's debut album was not ever considered pop-punk, not by the band, the label, the critics writing about it, the entire scene listening to it. It was adjacent to the pop-punk world as Drive-Thru was branching out and The Used, Glassjaw, Thursday, Thrice and "screamo" was starting to take over. But, I'm going to push back on that album being called a pop-punk album because it's just ahistorical for all of us that grew up in that scene.

Home Grown released a pop-punk album in 2002, Finch did not.

 

Reading the SHTS wiki and sheeeeesh, it was messy before it was even finished:

 

my point got a little lost here i think, and its my own bad to a degree for just using the catch all term "pop punk album" and not "album featuring a plethora of pop punks aesthetics" since i was more so saying the audience they got were inherently conditioned to expect a brighter, lighter, catchier, poppier, more streamlined affair

 

After reading that wiki page, it really paints a clearer picture as to why that album misses the mark. It's almost like they wanted to be weird and different for the sake of being weird and different, and Alex was basically just like "can we just write a straight forward song and stop trying to be weird?" And I get that. Even Trombino was like "umm this isn't for me, guys."

 

Yeah, I remember reading somewhere that Trombino was pretty much asking the band to make the music more accessible and focus more on choruses - which I get from his POV but I’m glad the band stayed true to what they wanted to do.

 

These quotes are killing me hahaha

 

never seen a critic use "hoodwinked" before lol sick