Ferrari (Michael Mann, December 25, 2023) Movie • Page 3

Bilge has seen the movie like 4 times already and has been singing it's praises as a masterpiece - so maybe it's not for everyone but there will be Mann heads that adore it. Sounds good to me

 

i’m thinking 5*

 

I think it has it's clunkier beats, basically, the Chris plot post the events of the movie, but I think the prequel bits have a good chance of being pretty compelling when put to film.

 

I feel like i saw a different movie. I must have watched one half of ford v ferrari or something, this was beyond uninteresting. A misfire in what felt like every regard, from the boomer brain characters to the cartoon car scenes. feeling very gaslit

 

Bilge is right this was incredible. I can see this growing in my mind as a masterpiece on further viewings. Would never have expected this movie to have one of the most shocking scenes of the year.

The one weak link is Shailene Woodley, she was simply miscast - struggled to maintain the accent. Adam Driver and Penelope Cruz are phenomenal tho.

 

what is this shocking scene?

 

MAJOR SPOILERS DO NOT CLICK THIS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED A graphic scene depicts this: During the 1957 Mille Miglia, near the town of Guidizzolo, a 4.0-litre Ferrari 335 S driven by Alfonso de Portago was traveling at 250 km/h when it blew a tyre and crashed into the roadside crowd, killing de Portago, his co-driver and nine spectators, five of whom were children. Audible gasps in the theater when the car rolled over the spectators and the gorey aftermath. Jaw dropping sequence.

 

Goddamn that looks great, Mann can do no wrong

 

Sure, why not

I’m listening to the Heat 2 audiobook right now; who they choose to read/narrate has a very annoying voice

 

Heat 2 was excellent. Driver feels like an odd choice for the part, but I’m definitely curious to see him.

 

Only recently noticed that Spotify Premium has a ton of audiobooks included and Heat 2 is one of them so i will be listening to that soon

 

can confirm, this is another common mann W

 

Now I’m even more excited

 

this is dead on, and the thing you spoiler tagged nearly shook me when i finally saw it

 

That part was shocking, but people in my theater laughed out loud at it. I thought it was pretty corny, and its heft felt immediately trivialized. Big time boomer vibes for me

 

As a millennial, I agree that boomers destroyed the planet but please explain to me what big time boomer vibes from this movie even means.

And yea, Michael Mann is 80 years old (but he's still a master)

 

People from that generation sometimes have a kind of expired sense of the world that appears to be late for departure. I dug his Vulture interview (https://www.vulture.com/article/michael-mann-in-conversation.html) a lot, he's def interesting and clearly interested in the world. But this NY Times profile from 2022 says it clearer than i can:

"Vincent and Neil are archetypal Mann protagonists: damaged men who dedicate themselves all-consumingly to their work, chasing an exalted state where extreme capability becomes its own goal. Or, as a member of Neil’s crew memorably puts it, where “the action is the juice.” They derive profound meaning, exhilaration and sense of selfhood from what they do — even at the cost of deep dysfunction and unhappiness in other parts of their lives. In this way, “Heat” crystallizes one of Mann’s career-long preoccupations, paying tribute with one hand to the great American myths of roguish individualism while undermining those same myths with the other."

"Mann’s artistic signature is to establish a core of painstaking realism, then create around it a heightened visual and emotional atmosphere that can edge, at times, into a kind of hallucinatory, macho camp."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/20/magazine/michael-mann-ferrari-heat-2.html

When I think about Heat posters on dorm walls...complications, sure, but the movies I've seen of his seem to edify these pathologies. I don't care if a movie relishes indignity, but his characters are meticulously detailed bores

I wish I could remember Ferrari itself better, but in general I felt like Lina and Laura were, despite effortful performances, accessories to Enzo's interiority more than real characters

Inside masculinity from his era is a conservatism that's sometimes interesting, but not really worth the time.

 

Also possible Ferrari lost me when the car hits a rock and bounces off real silly like

 

While I can see the merits in the filmmaking and performances (outside of Woodley), I hate to say, I was mostly bored with this.