Neal Avron’s sound when producing Yellowcard and FOB ia pretty awesome if ask me. I’d say my favourite album by these guys is TTTYG because that’s when I discovered this band like many, but the sound on songs like Sugar, Hum Hallelujah and Pavlove are the biggest and best to me. Also, being a fan of music that’s not typically mainstream I don’t find I need the perfect pronunciation of every word if the delivery has character if it has some raw energy to it….or maybe I should say I never really had isShe’s with Pat’s delivery. Thought it was sort of different an distinct. Issue I had with this band is I became disconnected with the music and slip into “famestream”.
The difference in sound between eras is hugely overstated. This is the direction they’ve been going since Arms Race came out. And imo, their second act has been better than the first so
I prefer the first half of their career more. However, Folie is the perfect bridge linking to two halves together. It’s my favorite too.
@carmatil The thing you are misconstruing about the second era is that no one has an issue or ever had an issue with Patrick’s vocals taking on new influences and doing more—that’s never what people cite as what’s turning them off. He’s been a unique vocalist since IOH and maybe even shown signs of that on FUTCT. And no doubt he has improved as a vocalist over the years. But that’s not what people dislike about the second era. I really think it’s distinctly the instrumentation.
even as someone who doesn’t care for much of fob’s music post reunion outside of SRAR and a few songs from ab/ap, the fob sold out narrative is one that never made sense to me i think SRAR is the record they wanted to make, and there was no guarantee that whatever they did made them as big as it wound up making them. most you could argue, IMO, is they leaned nice into that disney/espn money with ab/ap doing centuries and whatever one was for big hero 6. which, to be fair, almost certainly all of us would do too lol
I never listened to his solo stuff. Need to check it out. Soul Punk came out my freshmen year of college when I thought I was too ~cool~ for FOB anymore lol
fob fans gave patrick so much shit about that album and i will never forgive them it is the greatest album prince never made
Soul Punk, in retrospect, was a definite pre-cursor to FOB 2.0. I really liked it and happy I caught Patrick a few times on his solo tour.
I mean its good, but I was in a totally different frame of mind back then. Kinda like how I'm not very into Mania...My personal life shit trumped a lot of music to be honest. Like when Mania came out, I was just getting over an ectopic pregnancy, my boyfriend cheating on me and going into a deep depression. sometimes nothing else matters when your life is falling apart.
can we all agree that Pete's side project was....Horrible? Or was it just me that thought it was HORRIBLE?!?
I feel like Fall Out Boy suffered from the same fate as their pop/punk mates like Green Day and Blink did before them...when their early albums dropped on independent labels fans of the band had that sense of "this is my band in my small circle" and then they signed to a major label and the sound gets a little more produced (or even in the case of Fall Out Boy a new music video gets made for a single) and then the band is no longer your little niche fun band but one of the biggest in the world....I remember feeling that way when IOH came out and Jay-Z comes on doing a little intro and my first thought is "SELL OUTS!" Now that I'm older it's just not a big deal anymore...FOB fell out of my rotation after IOH but after doing a recent discography run I agree with the previous poster who noted the differences in sound are completely overblown
I don't think I've ever used the word "sell out" when it came to band or artist. Its not my thing, I just quietly stop listening to them or wait for the next album/song. But I will say that Dookie is the only Green Day album I will stand by as one of the greatest albums of all time. 4th/5th grade was a fucking time to be alive when that album came out.
Hell yea it was! Also just because any follow albums are not a "greatest of all time" doesn't mean they are bad (But certainly not all of their albums are good either)
I see your point but strongly disagree. 99% of people who got into Green Day and Blink 182 were first exposed to them via radio/MTV. Only a small part of Green Day's audience who heard of them when they were on lookout and even less of Blink's audience pre-"Damnit" might have been infected with the "sell-out" hysteria. The main reason people tend to get upset with a band's change in direction is that they connected with where the band was at at a certain point and life and when that connection divulges (band takes one path, a listener's emotional needs take another) it tends to cause for this discrepancy. A portion of FOB fans in the 00's never really outgrew that scene (these are usually the people you'll find at your local "Emo Nite") and, as such, felt that the poptimism of the 2010's was encroaching on their favorite band(s). If you go back and listen to their discography, they really only stuck with the pop-punk template for 2 albums and then by the time of Infinity On High they were already adding in piano ballads and synth-driven songs so the reboot era wasn't really that much of a surprise for people who had been following them.