Fall Out Boy - MANIA (Jan 19, 2018) Album • Page 93

I have some trouble with the complete writing off of pop-punk though. The current scene yea (except the Wonder Years, and even they are about to start getting old if they don't change).

But like the Academy Is... comes to mind as a band that really did change their sound and do interesting things. Santi is a great album. But then it circles back to "is it even pop-punk?" or is it "neon-punk" or just a "pop band" and that's why these discussions never get anywhere.

 

At this point I think you gotta judge it by years/eras.

I wouldn't put Enema up against Southern Air for example.

 

cork tree is very obviously a pop rock record with some roots in punk but introduced way more tinges of emo and pop. it's a real weird crossroads of all those sounds which is why it holds up as still super engaging all these years later

 

I'd agree, but I feel like what all those new wave bands you just mentioned do is all pretty much carbon copying TTYG, so this works in theory but not really in practice.

 

I think you split it up by era up until it literally stood still and is now frozen in time and I think TTTYG was the last time pop punk was fresh

 

There are just no good modern pop-punk albums.

 

You can like and enjoy the wonder years all you want but that doesn't mean they broke any new ground for the genre because they didn't

 

Blink-182's self-titled is the best pop-punk album (if you consider it pop punk)

There are some amazing newer pop-punk albums but I'd get torn to shreds if I mentioned them here

 

I would say lyrically it was pretty special at the time for the genre that was mostly girl obsessed in the lyric department.

Which doesn't really have any bearing on the genre but that's the main thing that sticks out. I don't think they helped push anything forward musically.

 

I agree... or I don't... I don't know.

Would you consider like Modern Baseball or The Front Bottoms pop-punk? I know you're not particularly fond of either band, especially Modern Baseball, but both could be called pop-punk, depending on who you ask and at least do something different than others (whether you believe it works or not).

Or a band like Bad Bad Hats.

 

Cobra Starship debut is the best pop-punk album

 

Their lyrics were just the usual whiny adolescent problems it was just more eloquent than usual

 

The Front Bottoms are Brewery Emo Folk Pop

 

And yea TWY definitely shifted the tone, if not the actual sound of pop-punk, to be sad boy in the suburbs music.

 

Wouldn't call either pop-punk.

 

I can roll with that.

 

I mean, I listen to the popular modern pop-punk and I know I woulda loved it when I was 17, but it doesn't do anything for me. Like that's a good pop-punk song, I just don't care that much.

 

they didn't shift the tone though. it was always that. it was always the music of the suburbs

 

Soupy's lyricism always reminded me of something to come out of Emo and the early 2000s already blurred the lines of what was Pop Punk and what was Emo.

It wasn't much of a push of a genre, just more so a revival of a co-existing one. TWY isn't an emo revival band but more so a middle child of the two, which is why they gathered sucess among multiple scenes.

 

Trash Boat had one of the best pop punk albums of the last five years

 

the only good pop punk band is tigers jaw and you can argue they aren't pop punk at all

 

Messenger Down - Ghost Town

One of the best songs by one of the best underground artists rn

 

Charmer :heart eyes emojii:

 

I feel very confused right now.

This is why i'm glad Fall Out Boy destroyed genre.

 

Never has a band name more adequately described their sound.