Fall Out Boy - MANIA (Jan 19, 2018) Album • Page 15

Glad they're taking more time with it. I actually had a dream the other night that I was tasked with planning the release party and they postponed it last minute so I had to find a creative way to compensate for the people who spent money to go to the party.

 

That's good to hear. As fun as it would be to hear new stuff, that just leaves more room for the classics and the songs I wish they'd play, but never will (Lake Effect Kid).

 

Yep. Still feel this way.

 

TDAGARIM is by far one of my favorite albums I've ever listened to but holy shit I'd be fine with Brand New putting out Chainsmokers covers forever if it meant Jesse never had to feel the way he did while making that.

 

Implying that an artist needs to be sorrowful and suffering to make good music is fucking ridiculous. Come on.

 

It's such a tunnel vision ideology too. As if the only good art comes from pain.

 

I'd be totally fine with Pinkerton not existing if it could have meant Rivers not being in that headspace

 

i mean i definitely wrote some of my most powerful music when I was barely surviving with the stuff I was going through

but i don't want to write those songs or anything like them ever again thank you, i'll find new ways to make music effective!

 

also really bummed this got pushed back so far... but i hope that extra time lets them make a really great record.

I love Y&M and champion is okay but I want crazy, especially if they're calling it Mania???? if I could get a record full of ideas as wild as Y&M I would be happy.

 

If Jesse can make another album like TDAG without the pain he was going through, fine. He doesn't even need to - TDAG is a monumental album that would be hard to replicate just because of how amazing it is. I'd love it if Jesse could be all smiles while making great music too. Daisy was a fine album. "I Am a Nightmare", though, which is their most recent track, is probably the worst Brand New song personally, I don't hate it, but it's very meh. It's also quite upbeat so not sure if that's a reflection of Jesse's state or a coincidence.

I do believe artists can make good music while happy, and bad music while sad. If it takes Jesse to be sad again to make LP5 to be great, fine. If Jesse's sad and LP5 isn't up to par, then no I don't want to see him sad. But his sadness, when amplified and turned into music, changed lives. Saved lives. Hell, I have constant thoughts about desiring death and sadness on the daily and TDAG has helped me still be alive right now. Sad music helps people. Happy people can also make good sad music.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't want Jesse to be sad. I want him to make great music.

 

why does nobody think music that isn't sad helps people too?

 

And if it's at the expense of his mental health, so be it. The world revolves around you.

 

Like, you realize that we understand what you're saying right? It's not that we don't get your point, it's that it's a bad point. Someone else suffering is OK as long as it either helps you or produces something you enjoy. We understand that is what your saying.

That's not a world view that good people have.
That is selfish. There's no way for you to rationalize this, no word choice that makes you putting your enjoyment of music before someone else's mental health justifiable.

Also, since you never picked up on the irony, you said the Yankees can't suck because their stays are good. By that logic Fall Out Boy can't suck because thier sales stats are good.

Sorry for the double post.

 

Sales aren't a measure of quality though, only popularity.

Meanwhile, stats like a team's win-loss record and pitcher's ERAs and FIPs and BABIPs and wRC+s and WAR and OBPs help indicate quality performance. Music quality is subjective, a matter of taste. Statistics are factual numbers.

 

And those stats don't matter if you don't win.

 

a team's win-loss record, though, is objective, which is the first one i mentioned

 

actually its subjective

 

what about pythagorean win-loss?

 

Why are we talking about the Yankees.

How can someone miss the point so badly.

 

ok really though... can we hear some of these Chainsmokers covers???????

 

well in that case the Yankees would be like 30 games above .500 because of all those games that the bullpen blew on the West Coast with relievers by the name of Ronald Herrera, Tyler Webb and Giovanny Gallegos, and that lazy fly ball that Castro should have caught. And then we had that game where Chapman was wild and walked in the winning run at Fenway, and the game where Betances was wild and Chapman was wilder against the Astros when the Yanks wasted offensive firepower, and then that one against the White Sox where Clippard made me clench my anus in the 8th inning only to have Betances blow it in the 9th... but the West Coast road trip with the sweep against Oakland and the series loss against the Angels killed the momentum goddamnit

yeah watching sports has never been good for my mental health but this is the team I will die rooting for!

 

Well things on this thread really escalated quickly.

After reading back from the last 10+ pages, I swear to god this Sad Messiah is The_Used_Guy's pissed off cousin.

 

this is taking a weird turn
hope everything works out okay for you but you shouldn't romanticize depression, especially your own. it really doesn't make good art, good artist do. I know lots of people who are depressed and make shitty art. the only thing depression creates is itself!

 

@Jason Tate can we add a "sad react" feature?

 

by we i mean you