Entertainment Forum General Chat Thread • Page 1300

Fanny and Alexander, Scenes from a Marriage, Kieslowski's Dekalog, these are works made cinematically for a singular statement, but aired on TV. They feel like they could function as extremely long films as well as the episodes that aired on television. Miniseries in general could be considered cinematic in that sort of tradition, where they air as a series of episodes on television because that functions better than trying to convince people to sit in a movie theater for 4-10 hours. Dekalog is considered ten hour long films, I guess? Even though it was made to air on television. This is where the crossover and potential maybe seems most potent in TV for me, even though there are few modern miniseries that I'd put up with Bergman or Keislowski outside of the Return.

Anthology TV series also interest me, they seem like a way for a TV show to maintain branding and even parts of casts while engaging different ideas or aesthetics season to season.

 

this is part of my point though. if the budget constraints of television are a factor and in some ways a negative, you can’t say then also say the mcu is closest to television just because it is serialized and the creators attached when the budgets of those movies are some of the highest of all time. there are television shows made by marvel. they feel nothing like the movies in ways that are good and bad.

 

the length isn’t the only argument though. i mentioned the cuaron show because it’s the only one where it feels like episodes were ended randomly at the hour mark just for the sake of ending the episode with no real stakes or tension/storytelling reason for ending the episode there

the return and scenes from a marriage aren’t merely very long movies edited into a television fashion. they are made for the purpose of being episodic television.

 

The Return might be the best thing ever filmed. It is still annoying that I have to do homework before I watch it. A good film doesn't require watching 25 hours of something before you get to the good stuff

 

This is absolutely ridiculous

 

I watched the two Avengers Thanos movies with my students and the movies make very little attempt to ease you into the story. You are expected to know a lot of information before engaging with it. It is like starting a show at season 5. Traditional movie sequels try harder to set up as an independent work.

 

how is this different from star wars or james bond

 

like i agree with your general point but that had been baked into movies for decades

 

Star Wars has the same problem, they are literally called "episodes" lol. You can pick up a random (at least of the 2-3 that I've seen) James Bond movie and not get lost immediately. They stand on their own. Idk about the newer ones, they seem more serialized but I haven't watched.

MCU movie are also different than something like a horror franchise. While the Halloween movies tried to build lore in the later (pretty bad) sequels in the 90s, you can still jump in to any of those movies and orient yourself immediately. The new trilogy is a little bit worse with this, but I think the third, at least, could be enjoyed as a singular film. I don't think that I could jump into a new MCU movie without getting lost. It'd be like watching the first ep of a season of a show I've never seen.

 

Well, James Bond 3 has almost nothing to do with James Bond 4 other than the character. You can start at any James Bond. My first Bond experience was the Goldeneye video game.

Star Wars is serialized, but there are a couple of things to talk about there. The first film is a complete story; it wasn't even called Episode IV yet. With Vader hurdling into space, you can read the ceremony at the end as the victory of the Rebellion. The Empire Strikes Back didn't exist yet, and it would not have existed if it had failed financially.

Look at the weird plot points that exist because of that decision to continue the story. Films 1 and 2 suggest a love triangle only for the third film to make them siblings. The plan was to hide the kid at the home planet of the father, raised by people who are technically in-laws of Vader, and Obi-Wan's plan of hiding is to only change his first name?

 

here's what I have to say :

 

Just this for 90 mins

 

part of what endears me to television is admittedly that i care about performances more than the making of what i’m watching and it simply is a better medium for discovering talent early on than film

 

meh movie

 

i don’t disagree about the first star wars film. but, like, they made the other movies lol. it became serialized decades before the mcu. and while the james bond movies are slightly more stand alone, they still feel episodic in a way that a procedural television show does.

 

ready for the new happy gilmore. that's about the only movie on my radar at this point.

 

I haven't seen most of the new Star Wars films, but they seem to be blurring the lines between TV and movie. However, the prequel trilogy films felt like individual experiences.

 

Bad ones.

 

Also, most films are not shot on film anymore and most TV shows don't air on actual TV anymore. It continues to blur.

 

Everything will be bad soon enough

 

the tv shows are pretty good. skywalker ranch has the ambiance thing down. they're manufacturing crack for the kids at this point.

 

I would take the weirdness of the prequel trilogy over the corporate box-checking of The Force Awakens.

 

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