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that's amazing

 

Benn waiting on this one for a while, hope it's as good as I hope

 

I can’t wait for this. No release date yet though?

 

Looks like only "soon" so far

 

Nic Cage should have won an Oscar for face off.

 

lmaooooooo

 

Woof

 

I read a review from like, variety or something, sounds gawdawful

 

Never even heard of it until just now

 

I might never get over the fact that superhero movie fans treat a new cut by Sucker Punch director Zack Snyder as some sort of event on the level of Orson Welles' original Magnificent Ambersons being restored or Ridley Scott's final cut of Blade Runner.

 

it's a perfect microcosm for the internet that a couple hundred, couple thousand, weird Reddit nerds bullied Warner Brothers into spending hundreds of millions of dollars on something only they want

 

Back when Snakes on a Plane was announced, a bunch of memes with Samuel L. Jackson cursing were so popular that they reshot parts of the movie to change it from PG-13 to R. Is that the first example of this sort of thing?

What fascinates me is that superhero movies are among the most disposable types or film. Whenever one bombs or an actor doesn't want to do it anymore they just recast and start over. There have been three Spiderman actors since I graduated high school. I've lost count of how many iterations of Batman there have been.

 

what’s the venn diagram of people tweeting to release the snyder cut and people who were super active on r/wsb? a full circle?

 

It is a really fascinating phenomenon & case study, imo. Snyder is a filmmaker who has a very specific style & perspective (regardless of how good it may or may not be, lol), but the Justice League we got was very much so... not that. In this era of superhero blockbuster dominance, with all those stories of directors leaving films because of conflict with studios or having their project changed along the way, this is the one big case we have where we can actually compare the two versions.

When someone some day writes a (good, thoughtful) book about the rise of superhero films & their impact on Hollywood, this'll be a pretty big resource for that.

 

The thing about alternate cuts or directors' cuts is that you are never going to get any sort of "original vision" because that vision is gone and cannot be recaptured.

People change over time, so when you go back to re-edit a movie you are looking at it from your current sensibilities, not those you had when the film was made. While the movie did not come out that long ago, pretty much every director has something they want to change the day after they finalize a cut. When we see masterpieces, they see compromises and things that didn't work and something they would have done differently with more time and more money. On a longer timeline, significant life events change our perspective on the world. Steven Spielberg has said that he would have ended Close Encounters of the Third Kind differently now that he has children.

You also have the benefit of getting to respond to the critical and audience reaction to the original version. We can never know for sure, but a lot of these edits and new cuts are at least partially informed by audience reaction to specific things. We see it on steroids with stuff like Star Wars, where George Lucas changed stuff and then changed it again after audience reaction, of Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now Redux getting a final version after seeing what people did not like in the second version.

What makes this new Justice League version even more noteworthy is that they spent a lot of time and money shooting new material, which does not happen with most new cuts or versions. You might think the French plantation scene does not work in Apocalypse Now Redux, but it was part of the original shoot, whereas here no one really knows if those scenes would have come out the same way if they had been filmed at the time.

It is almost as if people are being treated like the test audience before an actual release. You already see it with video games, with major changes to parts of Mass Effect 3 or Final Fantasy XV to respond to complaints. If we go more and more by consensus, everything is going to feel like film-by-committee.

 

I would imagine that forcing me to watch the new version would be the closest to hell I can get on Earth.

 

The "journalism" around these kinda films sucks, but based on the best available information, this is only partially true. Supposedly only around 5 min or so of new footage for two scenes were shot, & at least one of 'em was to complete a scene that was partially shot already & intended to be completed with reshoots in post. Seemingly the only truly new addition is Joker (lol), while the rest is constructed from material shot during principle photography. (Which, apparently includes scenes where Snyder shot both the Whedon dialogue WB demanded & his pre-Whedon script?) A lot of the cost seems to be related to post production, given how effects-heavy this film is.

Which, is a big part of why this is interesting to me. The rest of your post is right, but outside of weirdos on Twitter, do most people think what we're getting is 100% what would've been released if Snyder didn't leave the project? It's "a" Snyder Cut more so than "the [original]" Snyder Cut. Except, even more uninhibited than it would've been. I mean, it's supposed to be around four fucking hours? That's wild.

 

Anyone watch "Your Honor"?

It's so dumb.

 

I stopped after the first episode. Too stupid.

 

Did anyone watch that new cut of The Godfather Pt. III? I'm curious about it.

 

yeah I kind of hate every character haha

 

I should have stopped there. The introduction of Covid as a thing in the show made it even dumber than the dumb dumb show was to begin with. I don't know why they even mentioned it bc one scene they're saying something about social distancing, and the next, they're at a party.